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MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Total Likes: 268 likes
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| | | | Why rail against religion? < on 5/10/2012 4:37 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | This has come up a lot lately. Why argue against religious people? Why not just let them have their beliefs? What harm comes from it? There have been many people suggesting that not confronting irrational religious beliefs leads to harm. This may seem to be a bit of a stretch, but it was this whole argument that sprang to my mind upon reading this article: http://www.huffing...ook_n_1503592.html Powell writes. “[Bush] had crossed the line in his own mind, even though the NSC [National Security Council] had never met -- and never would meet -- to discuss the decision." ... Former CIA Director George Tenet made an admission similar to Powell’s in his own 2007 memoir. "There was never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraqi threat," he wrote. Nor "was there ever a significant discussion" about the possibility of containing Iraq without an invasion. ... The first concrete evidence was the Downing Street Memos first published in 2005, which documented the conclusions of British officials after high-level talks in Washington in July 2002 that “[m]ilitary action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” I believe that Bush's irrational thought processes, based primarily on religious beliefs, is what allowed him to convince himself, without external facts, evidence, or support, to start a war out of a significant lack of reality. So... the cost of not allowing religious belief to go unchallenged, and in fact be heralded as the proper way to think and believe? The war, which President Barack Obama officially brought to an end Dec. 31, cost the U.S. government around $3 trillion, left 4,487 U.S. servicemembers dead and killed more than 100,000 Iraqis. The Pentagon counts 32,226 U.S. servicemembers wounded, but the toll, including cumulative psychological and physiological damage, may be as high as half a million.
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| MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Total Likes: 268 likes
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| | | | Re: Why rail against religion? < Reply # 2 on 5/10/2012 6:50 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | But, if my religious beliefs are that gays should be prevented from moving into neighborhoods with children, and I can get the city council idiots to agree with me, and all of that provides me with great comfort, do you not have a problem with that?
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| G to the Race
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Hi!
| | | Re: Why rail against religion? < Reply # 3 on 5/10/2012 6:57 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by MutantMandias But, if my religious beliefs are that gays should be prevented from moving into neighborhoods with children, and I can get the city council idiots to agree with me, and all of that provides me with great comfort, do you not have a problem with that?
| I'm talking about a live and let live attitude; your scenario is fraught w/problems and I hate the very idea of it. Most folks, when not being dicks, are like, "Yeah, I'm down w/Jesus, leave me alone," and that's the end of it. Those people should be left alone. If you are going out of your way to make someone have a rough go at it, you are anti-Jesus and a mean prick and you should be called "dickwad" wherever you go.
| You betcha |
| MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Total Likes: 268 likes
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| | | | Re: Why rail against religion? < Reply # 6 on 5/10/2012 7:35 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Right, Jesus Dicks generally aren't good/honest representatives of their religion (or, in the worst cases, they are fanatical). But, they take advantage of the comfort giving power of the irrational beliefs that many people have to increase their Dick Powers. It is the comfort in nonsense that leads us to ruin.
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| tekriter
Location: in the Hindu Kush Total Likes: 0 likes
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
| | | Re: Why rail against religion? < Reply # 16 on 5/11/2012 9:00 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by G to the Race
I'm talking about a live and let live attitude; your scenario is fraught w/problems and I hate the very idea of it. Most folks, when not being dicks, are like, "Yeah, I'm down w/Jesus, leave me alone," and that's the end of it. Those people should be left alone. If you are going out of your way to make someone have a rough go at it, you are anti-Jesus and a mean prick and you should be called "dickwad" wherever you go.
| Pot, this is Kettle. You are black, over. Your recite by rote dogma that everyone should believe what they want exists independent of reality or evidence. Some beliefs are just wrong and many are harmful. Your position is the least valid and the least morally defensible.
| It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen |
| tekriter
Location: in the Hindu Kush Total Likes: 0 likes
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
| | | Re: Why rail against religion? < Reply # 17 on 5/11/2012 9:19 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby Whatever happened to respecting others and their beliefs? Irrational hateful beliefs shouldn't be respected,
| This is a direct contradiction. Perhaps people should only respect beliefs if there are good reasons to believe those things. Why should irrational NON-hateful beliefs be respected? You should not try to equate respect for people with respect for beliefs. Good people can hold bad beliefs. Bad people can hold valid beliefs as well. Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby be they saying all Christians should be beaten because they want gays murdered or a christian saying all gays should be murdered.
| This is a straw man argument. You are inferring that the only option "athiests" or opponents of unreason are presenting is to beat all x-tians for the actions of a few, and trying to make it equivalent to the fundys calling for gay bashing. In reality, there are a whole range of options available. If you separate the ideas from the person - logical respectful debate - it is easy to point out good and bad ideas. You seem to be advocating special pleading - respecting some unreasonable ideas while not respecting other unreasonable ideas - for logically invalid reasons. Point to note: The most unpalatable ideas of the fundies comes directly from the bible - a book all x-tians profess to believe is divinely inspired. It is not wrong to point the contradictions and hypocrisy of the non-fundy x-tians that choose to cherry pick which parts of the "good" book to ignore or not. Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby Hateful beliefs are hateful beliefs even if you are the one being hateful.
| Had you only said this, you might have been correct.
| It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen |
| MutantMandias Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Total Likes: 268 likes
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| | | | Re: Why rail against religion? < Reply # 19 on 5/11/2012 11:59 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Well, to be technical, leaving people alone could be morally indefensible if they need help, but that's not the issue. What he's saying is that "everyone should just mind their own business" is never going to be reflected in reality, because the very nature of people's irrational beliefs shapes culture, education, and politics in awful ways. It's just another of many concepts that do nothing but make people sit quietly and accept nonsense, while allowing themselves to believe that they are doing the right thing. The only people who are served by "let people believe anything" are the people who have amassed the greatest power. Its exactly the same as "the government did it, so its okay."
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