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UER Forum > Private Boards Index > Religious Discussion > Faith and Loathing on The Campaign Trail (Viewed 1778 times)
tekriter 


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Faith and Loathing on The Campaign Trail
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http://www.nytimes...d-mitt-romney.html

Now the american presidential race has settled to Obama and Romney, does anyone else think that there is something a little freaky about a mormon getting control of "The Button"?. Why is it not okay to question someone's irrational beliefs when they are advocating themselves as the most rational person to run the US?

This guy's church "baptized Anne Frank" after her death.

http://news.nation...her-death-reports/

Hunter S Thompson too: http://famousdeadm...m/index.php?id=125

This guy believes everyone on earth now was a spirit in the pre-existence. When we die, our spirits are separated from our bodies and if we were good they go to “spirit paradise.” If we were bad they go to “spirit prison.” The spirit world exists as a place for spirits to go while awaiting the second coming.

How is that compatible with making rational decisions about the future for billion of people?

He believes you can be forgiven for any sin - except denying the holy spirit and murder.

How is that consistent with justice? Good news for pedophiles. BTW, I deny the holy spirit (just wanted to get that in writing).

He believe that god created multiple worlds.

How will this help him not trash this one?

The current mormon church has a PROPHET! http://mormon.org/...esent-day-prophet/

Anything he says has the potential to become canonical.

If he says god told him that Mit ought to nuke myanmar - what is a Mit supposed to do?

This is going to be a weird year.




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Re: Faith and Loathing on The Campaign Trail
< Reply # 1 on 5/23/2012 1:40 PM >
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Posted by tekriter
This is going to be a weird year.


It's not like any of this is new.




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Do you need a new tin foil hat or new meds? This is the most insane overreaction I have ever seen any one have to him being Mormon. Westboros stance on him is less insane that everything you typed.




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I think people look toward Romney's true god, filthy lucre, than the pretend one for reasons to support him. This should comfort non-believers.




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< Reply # 4 on 5/23/2012 3:31 PM >
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Posted by tekriter
http://www.nytimes...d-mitt-romney.html

Now the american presidential race has settled to Obama and Romney, does anyone else think that there is something a little freaky about a mormon getting control of "The Button"?. Why is it not okay to question someone's irrational beliefs when they are advocating themselves as the most rational person to run the US?

This guy's church "baptized Anne Frank" after her death.



They baptize everyone after they die. It has something to do with their keeping of genealogical records. BTW, they own ancestry.com and a lot of other big genealogy services. It kind of creeps me out, when I'm doing research on my own family. But anyway...

All of what you said is true, but how is it different from any other believer? They all believe irrational things. Romney may be a member of his church, but he doesn't seem to be particularly fanatic. Has he made any public statements about religion? Santorum, on the other hand, is a fanatic. Luckily, he's out.


I think people look toward Romney's true god, filthy lucre, than the pretend one for reasons to support him. This should comfort non-believers.


Very true.




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tekriter 


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< Reply # 5 on 5/24/2012 12:32 PM >
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Do you need a new tin foil hat or new meds? This is the most insane overreaction I have ever seen any one have to him being Mormon. Westboros stance on him is less insane that everything you typed.


Is this your attempt at irony? You have, in one post, already achieved your standard of throwing out personal insults and failing to contribute at all.

We all know that you are disagreeable, but what part of my characterization of mormonism do you feel was wrong? Why? What alternative do you offer?




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< Reply # 6 on 5/24/2012 1:18 PM >
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Is this your attempt at irony? You have, in one post, already achieved your standard of throwing out personal insults and failing to contribute at all.

We all know that you are disagreeable, but what part of my characterization of mormonism do you feel was wrong? Why? What alternative do you offer?


you seriously think it's perfectly reasonable to assume based on someone's religion that they are more likely to drop an atomic bomb?

Im not disagreeable, im sane. I don't go around trashing everyone who has a dissenting opinion of mine and label them all as crazy whackjobs. You are as arrogant and condescending as the worst Christians.



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you seriously think it's perfectly reasonable to assume based on someone's religion that they are more likely to drop an atomic bomb?


I think he meant it as a "what if" scenario. What if Romney evil overlords asked him to do something unreasonable?

The answer is, he doesn't seem like the type that would, IMHO. The same questions were asked of Kennedy when he ran for president.





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The thing is, people are able to tell whether or not a candidate is "right in the head", so to speak. Andrew Johnson was impeached for this very reason. If he's really as loony as you think, then people are going to agree that he has to go before he actually does anything.





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The thing is, people are able to tell whether or not a candidate is "right in the head", so to speak. Andrew Johnson was impeached for this very reason. If he's really as loony as you think, then people are going to agree that he has to go before he actually does anything.




People voted for Nixon, and he was "so crooked he needed servants to screw his pants on".




It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. Robert A. Heinlen
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I think it's interesting how politics and religion cannot be separated in America. Both are systems of control and the powerful have figured out how to use each to their benefit. Romney is like a trinity w/in one person: Money, Religion, and Politics all rolled into one uber-white guy.




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I think it's interesting how politics and religion cannot be separated in America. Both are systems of control and the powerful have figured out how to use each to their benefit. Romney is like a trinity w/in one person: Money, Religion, and Politics all rolled into one uber-white guy.


yes.
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well, not yet... personally, christian conservatives are no better than fanatical muslims and their call for sharia law. mormons are just a weird cult put to bad music to me.
personally, i'd like to think Romney is a little more intelligent than that, but who the fuck knows?




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there is no way romney will be in office. he might have had a chance if he wasnt a moron *mormon. funny thing though is all religions are irrational and stupid. some are just newer and less popular. 2000 years ago people were like jesus-brb lol! unless youre publicly down with jesus you aint pushing any buttons. in god we trust etc etc




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funny thing though is all religions are irrational and stupid. some are just newer and less popular. 2000 years ago people were like jesus-brb lol!


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there is no way romney will be in office. he might have had a chance if he wasnt a moron *mormon. funny thing though is all religions are irrational and stupid. some are just newer and less popular. 2000 years ago people were like jesus-brb lol! unless youre publicly down with jesus you aint pushing any buttons. in god we trust etc etc


His Mormonism doesn't seem to have hurt him so far. I think a candidate's religion isn't as important as how it informs his stand on issues. In other words, there's a baseline religiousness that I think candidates have to reach in order to be considered, then beyond that it becomes issues and personality.

The real test would be a Muslim candidate.




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His Mormonism doesn't seem to have hurt him so far. I think a candidate's religion isn't as important as how it informs his stand on issues. In other words, there's a baseline religiousness that I think candidates have to reach in order to be considered, then beyond that it becomes issues and personality.

The real test would be a Muslim candidate.


His Mormonism isn't an issue because the people who would be most upset that he is a freakish Mormon also believe that he is running against a Muslim foreigner.




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Curious to why the Mormon and the Muslin have only one wife each.




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