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http://www.nature....st-demands-1.10773

Publishers set to remove examples of evolution from high-school textbooks.

Mention creationism, and many scientists think of the United States, where efforts to limit the teaching of evolution have made headway in a couple of states1. But the successes are modest compared with those in South Korea, where the anti-evolution sentiment seems to be winning its battle with mainstream science.

A petition to remove references to evolution from high-school textbooks claimed victory last month after the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology (MEST) revealed that many of the publishers would produce revised editions that exclude examples of the evolution of the horse or of avian ancestor Archaeopteryx. The move has alarmed biologists, who say that they were not consulted. “The ministry just sent the petition out to the publishing companies and let them judge,” says Dayk Jang, an evolutionary scientist at Seoul National University.

The campaign was led by the Society for Textbook Revise (STR), which aims to delete the “error” of evolution from textbooks to “correct” students’ views of the world, according to the society’s website. The society says that its members include professors of biology and high-school science teachers.

The STR is also campaigning to remove content about “the evolution of humans” and “the adaptation of finch beaks based on habitat and mode of sustenance”, a reference to one of the most famous observations in Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species. To back its campaign, the group highlights recent discoveries that Archaeopteryx is one of many feathered dinosaurs, and not necessarily an ancestor of all birds2. Exploiting such debates over the lineage of species “is a typical strategy of creation scientists to attack the teaching of evolution itself”, says Joonghwan Jeon, an evolutionary psychologist at Kyung Hee University in Yongin.

The STR is an independent offshoot of the Korea Association for Creation Research (KACR), according to KACR spokesman Jungyeol Han. Thanks in part to the KACR’s efforts, creation science — which seeks to provide evidence in support of the creation myth described in the Book of Genesis — has had a growing influence in South Korea, although the STR itself has distanced itself from such doctrines. In early 2008, the KACR scored a hit with a successful exhibition at Seoul Land, one of the country’s leading amusement parks. According to the group, the exhibition attracted more than 116,000 visitors in three months, and the park is now in talks to create a year-long exhibition.

Even the nation’s leading science institute — the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology — has a creation science display on campus. “The exhibition was set up by scientists who believed in creation science back in 1993,” says Gab-duk Jang, a pastor of the campus church. The institute also has a thriving Research Association for Creation Science, run by professors and students, he adds.

Antipathy to evolution

In a 2009 survey conducted for the South Korean documentary The Era of God and Darwin, almost one-third of the respondents didn’t believe in evolution. Of those, 41% said that there was insufficient scientific evidence to support it; 39% said that it contradicted their religious beliefs; and 17% did not understand the theory. The numbers approach those in the United States, where a survey by the research firm Gallup has shown that around 40% of Americans do not believe that humans evolved from less advanced forms of life.


The roots of the South Korean antipathy to evolution are unclear, although Jeon suggests that they are partly “due to strong Christianity in the country”. About half of South Korea’s citizens practice a religion, mostly split between Christianity and Buddhism.

However, a survey of trainee teachers in the country concluded that religious belief was not a strong determinant of their acceptance of evolution3. It also found that 40% of biology teachers agreed with the statement that “much of the scientific community doubts if evolution occurs”; and half disagreed that “modern humans are the product of evolutionary processes”.

Until now, says Dayk Jang, the scientific community has done little to combat the anti-evolution sentiment. “The biggest problem is that there are only 5–10 evolutionary scientists in the country who teach the theory of evolution in undergraduate and graduate schools,” he says. Having seen the fierce debates over evolution in the United States, he adds, some scientists also worry that engaging with creationists might give creationist views more credibility among the public.

Silence is not the answer, says Dayk Jang. He is now organizing a group of experts, including evolutionary scientists and theologians who believe in evolution, to counter the STR’s campaign by working to improve the teaching of evolution in the classroom, and in broader public life.
Nature486,14(07 June 2012)




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creationist retards here must be stroking their cocks as we speak... three cheers for ignorance, folks.






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I understand not believing something my teachers taught me, I mean I never did anyway, but to remove anything that is against your beliefs is wrong. I mean, I was forced to learn "new math" along with everyone else.




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what kills me is that the science is there. it's been proven. over and over.
and still there are people that believe that we're fucking cabbage patch kids sent here by god to do fuck knows what?

i just don't get it.
i don't.






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And of course it feels silly to say it over and over again, but there is absolutely nothing about belief in God which is in any way a challenge to evolution, and vice versa.

Where the fuck does this come from?




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And of course it feels silly to say it over and over again, but there is absolutely nothing about belief in God which is in any way a challenge to evolution, and vice versa.

Where the fuck does this come from?


Um, Genesis 1:1?




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Genesis 1:1 does not contradict evolution.

But I suppose if you are going to say that every word of the Bible is absolute literal truth, then yes, the whole fragile house of cards falls apart at the slightest thought that God doesn't find it necessary to routinely break the very laws of nature that He created.

But believing every word of the Bible is proof enough that you don't understand what the Bible is, so anyone with that belief is really not worth listening to in the first place.




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Genesis 1:1 does not contradict evolution.

But I suppose if you are going to say that every word of the Bible is absolute literal truth, then yes, the whole fragile house of cards falls apart at the slightest thought that God doesn't find it necessary to routinely break the very laws of nature that He created.

But believing every word of the Bible is proof enough that you don't understand what the Bible is, so anyone with that belief is really not worth listening to in the first place.


Even those who don't take every word of the Bible as literal truth tend to side with the Bible when there's a conflict. "Evolution contradicts Genesis, therefore evolution is wrong" is their thinking.

This begs the question of why does one believe Genesis, but not, say, Leviticus 19 which forbids tattoos? When people find Biblical edicts too inconvenient, they get ignored. For most people, not believing in evolution doesn't affect them on a daily basis. "Remember the Sabbath, and keep it holy?" well, my boss asked me to work on Sunday, so I guess I need to ignore that one... No shellfish? But Red Lobster has all-you-can-eat shrimp!




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No shellfish? But Red Lobster has all-you-can-eat shrimp!


Gotta get me summa that scrimp at Red Blobster!




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I'm not happy about it at all. In fact next time I'm in Daejeon I'm stopping by KAIST to drop a log on an apparent Creation Science they have set up there.

However, apparently the creationists lobbied to get some facts taken out of the textbooks that have been disproven by mainstream science. I think off the top of my head that archaeopteryxes are the direct descendants of birds. It really does suck that anyone is letting Creationists have their way with textbooks, or that there are even mistakes for the Creationists to find (they must have to know an awful lot about the theory evolution to catch that) and it's a show of weakness of the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology, but the government here is almost as Christian as the American government these days.




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Even those who don't take every word of the Bible as literal truth tend to side with the Bible when there's a conflict. "Evolution contradicts Genesis, therefore evolution is wrong" is their thinking.

This begs the question of why does one believe Genesis, but not, say, Leviticus 19 which forbids tattoos? When people find Biblical edicts too inconvenient, they get ignored. For most people, not believing in evolution doesn't affect them on a daily basis. "Remember the Sabbath, and keep it holy?" well, my boss asked me to work on Sunday, so I guess I need to ignore that one... No shellfish? But Red Lobster has all-you-can-eat shrimp!


It's almost like you are saying that to function as an x-tian that you need to pick and choose what parts of the bible to believe literally, what parts to believe allegorically (and choose an interpretation) and what parts to ignore.

That would make the bible inconsistent, useless and antiquated.

Hmmm....




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