Saw this video today. It only restates what I've known about Islam and Muslims all along.

Of course, this wont change the minds of people who don't want to offend the Muslims. And then there will be the ones who's only response to the facts is to somehow throw Christians under the bus.

http://nocompulsio...the-islamic-state/

Posted by Mr_Fiend Of course, this wont change the minds of people who don't want to offend the Muslims.

Of course not. What about Christians that use the Bible as justification to run heterosexual conversion camps, discriminate against non-Christians, and Christians who....

Posted by Mr_Fiend And then there will be the ones who's only response to the facts is to somehow throw Christians under the bus.

Oh jeez, you were obviously prepared for this, and by making such a statement, you make this resource look 100% hypocritical.

http://biblehub.com/exodus/22-18.htm

Congrats, all religious texts say retarded shit. Didn't realize it took an 8 minute video to prove that.

By the way, this website is run by some crazy chick who was brought up Muslim and converted to hard core evangelism.

Kind of hard to be objective about a topic you admit to hating.

I rest my case.

Any discussion of the Islamic faith MUST immediately deviate into red herring about "violence in every other religion" or "well what about the crusades?"

This is obvious red herring from people who are either ignorant or intentionally misrepresenting the true nature of the Islamic faith.

Bill Maher had it spot on.
See:
http://www.youtube...atch?v=IjInNxIwfRw
or
http://www.ijrevie...slam-christianity/

Fiend, I really wish you would stop posting on this board

Posted by Harvestman Fiend, I really wish you would stop posting on this board

Wasn't he banned?

Oh the audacity! Someone with conflicting views posting about religion in a religion forum. I am for one shocked!

Good luck banning someone who has never violated any of the silly rules on uer

I wasn't suggesting you should be banned, I honestly thought you had been banned.

Well, I just don't know anymore. People get so sensitive now days. I got tired of being ganged up against in the "Christians suck and are all idiots and hate everyone" forum. I now limit my exposure here.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Well, I just don't know anymore. People get so sensitive now days. I got tired of being ganged up against in the "Christians suck and are all idiots and hate everyone" forum. I now limit my exposure here.

So you joined the "i'm ignorant about islam (because i only read sources i WANT to read) and choose to hate it" bandwagon instead?

Goin' places.

Posted by splumer Wasn't he banned?

From this particular forum, maybe. Otherwise, no - perhaps you're thinking of Mr. Green Jeans.

Posted by blitz So you joined the "i'm ignorant about islam

I'd love for you to explain this since you are the resident expert on Islam. Please explain how Islam is peaceful and how those scriptures and the many others like it are simply misunderstood and are in no way practiced in large numbers by todays Muslims.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Oh the audacity! Someone with conflicting views posting about religion in a religion forum.

For the record, I don't care if you're banned or not. I said that you should stop posting on here because your closed-mindedness has made a fool of you in the past - and by the looks of it, it's the same as ever.

It has nothing to do with the beliefs themselves and more about (in layman's terms) not being a twat.

How tolerant of you with someone of a different opinion than yours. Again another perfect example of why I stopped posting in here, maybe 2 or 3 people in this particular forum are mature enough to have an adult conversation about beliefs.

Posted by Mr_Fiend I'd love for you to explain this since you are the resident expert on Islam. Please explain how Islam is peaceful and how those scriptures and the many others like it are simply misunderstood and are in no way practiced in large numbers by todays Muslims.

Gladly, though I wouldn't consider myself a "resident expert", merely an adherent.

I'm not going to respond to any single one of these verses as they're all taken completely out of context, and aren't practiced in large numbers by today's Muslims, just like today's Christians don't murder sorcerers or witches en masse because the Bible tells them to.

I'm not going to say Islam is a religion of "peace" or "love" either, I don't think any religion is. Islam is a religion of knowledge, temperance, and submission; the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said in one of my fav. verses:

“The learned are heirs of the prophets, and the prophets do not leave any inheritance in the form of monetary wealth, but they do leave knowledge as their legacy. A person who acquires knowledge, acquires his full share of this legacy and basks in the favor of his family and Allah.” Riyadh-us-Salaheen: 1388

ISIS is no different from Kony's "Christian" Lord's Resistance Army that had no support from the so-called "Christian" community. If the mainstream Muslim community believed in anything the speaker has stated here, then why isn't ISIS supported by mainstream Muslims, and why is ISIS at war with every Islamic state and extremist faction on Earth (with the notable exception of Boko Haram)?

To clarify, the definition of a witch in biblical terms was someone who had cursed someone, such as turning them into a frog or something of sort, or basically cursing them to death. Essentially they were to be condemned to death for condemning someone to death, seems legit to me. Biblical capitol punishment.

I don't see any number of Muslims condemning what goes on in the middle east in the name of their holly book.

I find it funny that you will jump on Christians and somehow defend Islam which blatantly hates infidels (Christians and Jews), says so in the Koran.


"ISIS is no different from Kony's "Christian" Lord's Resistance Army"

Wrong! ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups are practicing the full teachings of Muhammad and Jihad. Raging a holly war.

"O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73"


"Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers...."

"Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29"

"Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9"

Endless examples of being the instigators.

So next time you watch be-headings or other dismemberment's over in Islamic countries, (happens daily) and they start chanting Allahu Akbar like mindless cult worshipers, just refer to the teachings they are following.



Whereas if a "Christian" extremist group was practicing the full teaching of Jesus, they would be going around preaching love and reaching out to the sick and poor in extreme ways. Instead of hunting out the unbelievers and forcing them to convert or die. So you see, they are not Christians (followers of Christ). This is why the Westboro Baptists and other similar cults are openly shunned among Christians of all faiths.

Posted by Mr_Fiend I don't see any number of Muslims condemning what goes on in the middle east in the name of their holly book.

Really? Do you live under a fucking rock? Oh wait, we already went over this, you only read shit you want to read.

I'm not going to go out of my way to post links to every Islamic scholar's (regardless of affiliation) bashing of ISIS, just google "Muslims rally against ISIS", you'll get hundreds, if not thousands, of results.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Whereas if a "Christian" extremist group was practicing the full teaching of Jesus, they would be going around preaching love and reaching out to the sick and poor in extreme ways. Instead of hunting out the unbelievers and forcing them to convert or die. So you see, they are not Christians (followers of Christ). This is why the Westboro Baptists and other similar cults are openly shunned among Christians of all faiths.

What exactly is the full teachings of Jesus? You know that's what the KKK claimed to practice? Good ole' Christian love and the teachings of Jesus, plus a few lynchings here or there. Right.

Posted by Mr_Fiend This is why the Westboro Baptists and other similar cults are openly shunned among Christians of all faiths.

Just like how ISIS is shunned by Muslim's across the planet. Thanks for proving my point perfectly.

If you'd like to have an intelligent discussion, I'm all for it, even if you want to shit on my faith. If you just want to keep making idiotic generalizations that are completely off base and rooted in dogma, well then keep being laughed at, see if I care. Take a look at something we like to call "evidence".

EDIT: took the picture out, it's huge. See here.

http://www.washing...1970-and-2012.html

6% of all terrorist attacks on US soil were committed by Jews, compared to 5% for Muslims. Despite all of Islam's horrible teachings over the past 1,400 years to the over 1 billion adherents that we ought to rape, enslave, and eventually kill all non-Muslims and rid the world of them, we still somehow managed to commit less terrorist attacks on US soil than the Jews of all people? Wait, and non-Muslims still live on Earth today???? C'mon man.

Posted by blitz You know that's what the KKK claimed to practice? Good ole' Christian love and the teachings of Jesus, plus a few lynchings here or there. Right.

I'm going to requote myself "Whereas if a "Christian" extremist group was practicing the full teaching of Jesus, they would be going around preaching love and reaching out to the sick and poor in extreme ways."

The actions of the KKK and any other "Christian" extremist group cannot be justified by the Word of God, period.

Posted by blitz If you'd like to have an intelligent discussion, I'm all for it, even if you want to shit on my faith. If you just want to keep making idiotic generalizations that are completely off base and rooted in dogma

And I could say the EXACT same thing to you regarding Christians.


And statistics really mean nothing to me when the teachings (as described above) promote war like actions through Jihad and other mindless commandments. Also the oppressed Muslim nations speak volumes, severe mistreatment of women and barbaric punishments. All specifically outlined in the Koran.

Posted by Mr_Fiend The actions of the KKK and any other "Christian" extremist group cannot be justified by the Word of God, period.

But that is exactly how they were justified. As was slavery. And subjugation of women.