There's a few really good cars on the list... and a lot of REALLY, REALLY awful cars. Good read!

('97 Malibu/Vega/Mustang II... LOL)

And they got the photo wrong for the Chrysler Cirrus- that's a Concorde.

Oh yes, the Renault Alliance...that was the real surprise that year...

I was born a chevy caprice, oh wait this isnt car astrology?

what a dark period of trash from 90-03

Posted by bandi There's a few really good cars on the list... and a lot of REALLY, REALLY awful cars. Good read! ('97 Malibu/Vega/Mustang II... LOL) And they got the photo wrong for the Chrysler Cirrus- that's a Concorde.

Here's the thing, Bandi. You're looking at those cars out of context from when they were introduced. In retrospect, yes, what flaming piles of poo, but at the time each car was introduced, they were right for their period.

Mustang II was introduced in 1974. Think about what was going on then? energy crisis, gas rocketing to (gasp) over a dollar a gallon. Along comes the Pinto-at-heart Mustang II with its tiny engine, trim dimensions and styling perfect for the era. Ford every fucking one of them, too.

The Vega promised so much and delivered so little... again, in retrospect, poo.

The Malibu... oh the hated N-body Malibu. In 97, the Camry, Accord and Maxima ruled the midsize roost. They were the plain vanilla family car that everyone had. Everything was downsizing, so GM takes the venerable N-body platform, creates a plain vanilla body (which honestly wasn't that unattractive- merely unoffensive), puts the usual suspects under the hood for engines and passes it off as "the car you know america could build" (which I never really got). At first, they weren't bad cars, but get some miles on them and oh what pieces of shit they turned out to be (just like every other fucking N-body out there).

So, that's the way one needs to read this list- in context.

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Endangered cars for 2014.

There are a shit ton of MK2's still rolling around here

Here as well.

Definitely no Sapporos. But I did see a Rampage last month.

Posted by bandi Here as well. Definitely no Sapporos. But I did see a Rampage last month.

Don't forget the stablemate to the Plymouth Sapporo, the Dodge Challenger.

I wonder how much correlation there is between Car of the Year winners and the amount spent on ads in Motor Trend.

Posted by splumer I wonder how much correlation there is between Car of the Year winners and the amount spent on ads in Motor Trend.

sort of like how popular mechanics never tests a bad car

Posted by Samurai The Malibu... oh the hated N-body Malibu. In 97, the Camry, Accord and Maxima ruled the midsize roost. They were the plain vanilla family car that everyone had. Everything was downsizing, so GM takes the venerable N-body platform, creates a plain vanilla body (which honestly wasn't that unattractive- merely unoffensive), puts the usual suspects under the hood for engines and passes it off as "the car you know america could build" (which I never really got). At first, they weren't bad cars, but get some miles on them and oh what pieces of shit they turned out to be (just like every other fucking N-body out there). So, that's the way one needs to read this list- in context.

The malibu was actually such a gravy train for GM that when the body was re-styled they kept making the car as a chevy classic for fleet buyers. My buddies dad is a cabbie and his cab is a malibu, his personal car, his wifes car and his two kids cars. quite a bland driveway i must say, but cheap to maintain

Posted by Samurai The Malibu... oh the hated N-body Malibu. In 97, the Camry, Accord and Maxima ruled the midsize roost. They were the plain vanilla family car that everyone had.

The Maxima was a fun, and fairly nice car. You thinking of the Altima?

(Never mind... my computer teacher in high school had a fancy one that was nice with a manual tranny, V6, etc... They all rotted away so fast I forgot that they made beige, Camry-like ones that sucked.)

Posted by nostra-YOUPPI! The malibu was actually such a gravy train for GM that when the body was re-styled they kept making the car as a chevy classic for fleet buyers. My buddies dad is a cabbie and his cab is a malibu, his personal car, his wifes car and his two kids cars. quite a bland driveway i must say, but cheap to maintain

until it takes you like 3 hours to do a ball joint because you have to soak it and nuke with a torch non stop

I remember putting a Lumina or montecarlo on the lift (circa 97 model or so) And the god damn thing literally broke in half from all the rot, then the moonfaced client threatened to sue us...

Posted by Nismo until it takes you like 3 hours to do a ball joint because you have to soak it and nuke with a torch non stop I remember putting a Lumina or montecarlo on the lift (circa 97 model or so) And the god damn thing literally broke in half from all the rot, then the moonfaced client threatened to sue us...

if it takes you 3 hours to do a balljoint on a Malibu or any other FWD GM, you're a shitty mechanic that doesn't know what they're doing. My brother did the balljoints in my Cavalier in 30 minutes, both sides....heat heat heat. ZAP the three retaining rivets with the air chisel. Out it came, bolt the new one in, zap the suspension back together with the airgun

With cars from Quebec, no shit... your roads make ours look like superhighways!

Posted by Samurai if it takes you 3 hours to do a balljoint on a Malibu or any other FWD GM, you're a shitty mechanic that doesn't know what they're doing. My brother did the balljoints in my Cavalier in 30 minutes, both sides....heat heat heat. ZAP the three retaining rivets with the air chisel. Out it came, bolt the new one in, zap the suspension back together with the airgun With cars from Quebec, no shit... your roads make ours look like superhighways!

Atleast quebecs roads are better than michigans.

...That's a bold statement.

I think on the East Coast, here in the US, Vermont has some uber-shitty roads.

Posted by Samurai I think on the East Coast, here in the US, Vermont has some uber-shitty roads.

as someone who drives even the shittiest backroads of vermont quite often i would take vermonts roads any day over quebecs, and well new yorks back roads are better than quebecs expressways, i was just on NY 190 and NY 22 and i would give my right nut for roads like that in quebec