Posted by racetraitor Link?

http://www.avert.org/needlestick.htm

Or you can google the subject.

Posted by MindHacker http://www.avert.org/needlestick.htm Or you can google the subject.

Um, your link doesn't support your "knife-wound" theory at all.

However, it DOES support the theory that oxygen deactivates viruses, since the blood contained inside of a needle hasn't been entirely exposed to oxygen, yet. Therefore, it IS possible to infect someone with HIV via needle - though it is difficult to do.

NIH Issue: Cutting skin with blood contaminated knives is considered a potential risk for HIV transmission.

http://gateway.nlm...a?f=102239375.html - it says that it is unlikely due to disinfecting steps, but still possible.

"The more blood there was on the knife, the deeper the wound, the greater the risk of contracting Aids," said Professor Hans-Dieter Klenk, the director of the Virus Institute at the University of Marburg and an authority on Aids.

There, rather explicit, no? Knifing rampage. http://www.indepen...abs-35-480188.html

You don't even have to read between the lines on that one...

Um, you still haven't given any information proving that someone has, IN FACT, gotten HIV from a knife wound.

But that's off-topic, anyway.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to prove, anymore -- you called bullshit on something true of viruses, in general. And now you're just reaching for anything you can get your hands on.


I tell you, though --- I really would be interested to see scientific proof of it. Not because I think you're wrong, but because it is interesting.

Edit: I haven't contested that it is possible to get HIV from superficial wounds, especially heroin needles (omgz ON TOPIC AGAIN!). I simply said it was difficult. You can basically generalize and say HIV is transmittable from being exposed to infected blood on part of your body that isn't protected by the barrier that healthy, intact skin provides.

Posted by Emma Peel Edit: I haven't contested that it is possible to get HIV from superficial wounds, especially heroin needles (omgz ON TOPIC AGAIN!). I simply said it was difficult. You can basically generalize and say HIV is transmittable from being exposed to infected blood on part of your body that isn't protected by the barrier that healthy, intact skin provides.

I thought that's what I was saying in response to you saying:

Posted by Emma Peel There needs to be a 100% airtight transmission. ... You'd need to form an airtight seal around the wound for a minimum of five minutes....

So I take it you recant the "needs to" and the "airtight" and the "five minutes"?

And since we love semantics so much, I'll preemptively quote webster(.com)

Main Entry: need
Function: verb
intransitive verb 1 : to be needful or necessary

Main Entry: need·ful
Function: adjective
1 : being in need 2 : necessary , requisite


Also, because I used to work in healthcare and M&M (morbidity and mortality (http://www.webmm.ahrq.gov/)) were always interesting to me:
http://findarticle...25/is_/ai_n8752379
The part of interest is the last paragraph of page one into page two.

If you want it translated from healthcare speak:
Dude was autopsying, the scalpel slipped, gave him a 1cm deep cut, he washed it with bleach, and he now tests positive for HIV, but is currently asymptomatic. He hadn't been getting any action, doing any drugs, any of that, and his previous gf of a year is still uninfected.

http://snopes.com/...ayhem/payphone.asp
This is what I've seen before, snopes is pretty reliable as far as I know. And like the article says, a drug addict is more worried about their next high than wasting their needle to infect somebody with something they probably don't even know they have.