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UER Forum > Rookie Forum > Risks of being personally identifiable on UER? (Viewed 13005 times)
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Re: Risks of being personally identifiable on UER?
< Reply # 20 on 10/11/2015 3:29 AM >
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Statute. It's statute of limitations, not statue.


A nice marble statue of limitations would be way cooler.




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< Reply # 21 on 10/11/2015 12:34 PM >
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A nice marble statue of limitations would be way cooler.


Literally and figuratively.




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< Reply # 22 on 10/11/2015 5:51 PM >
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You could always use your internet pseudonym as your identity. The authors behind Erowid site are respected under their pseudonyms and they're named as Erowid Red and Erowid Blue in prestigious medical journals.




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< Reply # 23 on 10/11/2015 6:59 PM >
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Internet names means nothing when your real identity is just a subpoena away.

And before you say "but the government would never take the time to go to court to identify someone committing a petty misdemeanor:" think again.

There was case in Newark, Delaware where two people were photographed engaging in sex acts in public. Hardly the worst crime imaginable right? Except the photo went viral and embarrassed the city so much they were determined to identify and charge the two. A guy on reddit joked that the girl looked like his sister, and a day later reddit received a subpoena to identify the guy who made the comment.

Now imagine a city or town embarrassed that someone managed to get into their supposedly secured abandoned properties.

tl;dr Use a VPN and a pseudonym if you're that concerned with privacy.



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Re: Risks of being personally identifiable on UER?
< Reply # 24 on 10/19/2015 1:19 AM >
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Go ahead, I'm not that concerned about it and neither should the rest of you. Actual "sex" is still one of the most taboo things in some areas of America even as media uses it more subtly to sell everything, and sex gets people way more worked up than urban explorers ever would. I don't think your example really works as a comparison, but it's a good cautionary tale that you might be watched anywhere you go.




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< Reply # 25 on 10/19/2015 6:14 AM >
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Use a VPN and a pseudonym if you're that concerned with privacy.


This is fucking UER, lol




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You could try some bling to increase the risk ;)
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< Reply # 27 on 10/19/2015 10:46 AM >
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If your ID is taken, and you are told to leave a site and never come back, then you might want wait a while until you post your photos. Otherwise, screw it.




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Re: Risks of being personally identifiable on UER?
< Reply # 28 on 10/20/2015 9:00 PM >
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Internet names means nothing when your real identity is just a subpoena away.


Pretty much this.

I post to here and my site under a pseudonym mostly because I don't like putting my actual name out there. That said, many people on here know exactly who I am by my actual name.

And I also post my stuff to flickr under my actual first name, and to my facebook under my full name.

It is what it is. Don't think for a second that a pseudonym is going to protect you from the authorities if they decide to pursue you.




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< Reply # 29 on 10/20/2015 11:16 PM >
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Consider this and most sites on the Internet to be transparent to higher levels of law enforcement. Trespassing on or near sensitive active areas, especially federal, and posting pics of coarse, may lead to unwanted attention.

If you ever want to join the military or get a security clearance consider carefully how far you want to push the bar. If it seems like a bad idea, it probably is.




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< Reply # 30 on 10/21/2015 8:40 AM >
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For a while i didn't put full name on flickr(it's for hosting pictures here and other UE forums). Then i realized that i am a reasonable person and i don't post pictures of obvious trespass acts which are in guarded places. Then i wrote my full name because sometimes i ask some information about places to other flickr users. It's just polite to introduce myself as a real person who clearly don't have any bad intentions (dunno,throw a massive vodka party, spray-paint everything or burn old tires).

Waiting is a good option, by the way. From my experience - years passed so places changed - some became demolished to the ground, some rebuilt, some became really abandoned. After a long time i posted some pictures of those places which used to be guarded, 6 (!) or 4 years after explorations. Because if i do so, nobody really can care anymore. Would you care about trespass act AFTER the place is gone or changed so much it's not quite the same place anymore? Nope? Then you got this idea.

But if you post some really, really suspicious content (pictures of breaking in maybe, unscrewing entrances or whatsoever,jumping over fence, anything that clearly points of you trespassing guarded place) it's just stupid, with or without nickname as everybody tried to say previously.




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< Reply # 31 on 10/21/2015 11:55 PM >
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If you ever want to join the military or get a security clearance consider carefully how far you want to push the bar. If it seems like a bad idea, it probably is.


Oh, I certainly agree with this.




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< Reply # 32 on 11/29/2015 2:56 AM >
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The statute of limitations here is 2 years, no way am I waiting that long.

Just be smart about it, if you post them soon after don't add captions like "Just broke into this sick abandoned school!", and don't post the location.




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Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.

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< Reply # 33 on 12/4/2015 1:35 AM >
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Statute. It's statute of limitations, not statue.








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"Sorry, I didn't know I'm not supposed to be here," he said, knowing full well he wasn't supposed to be there.

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< Reply # 34 on 12/4/2015 3:23 AM >
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I would wait at least 6 months before posting photos online if I had an easy way to link my name to them because that is when the statue of limitations expire in Ontario.


I've heard the "6 months" figure cited countless times now, but when I looked it up I could not find any reference to it in legislation.

Can you point me to your reference for it being 6 months?



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< Reply # 35 on 12/4/2015 3:32 AM >
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Generally, the police are not your concern. Your concern is the owners of the place, and then, only certain locations.

For this reason, I generally don't consider statutes of limitations for whether or not to post things. Sure, you can't get a ticket - but locations can ban you, try to sue you, etc.

Some fun stories of this happening:
1) Ninjalicious was infamous for exploring Union Station in Toronto, and security there got wind of it. They scoured the web for a photo of him, and managed to find one completely unrelated to UE - but it was enough for them to apprehend him when he was just using Union (not exploring it), take a real photo of him and use that to ban him from the station.

2) I got caught once in a large complex falling under government jurisdiction - since it did, I was able to use a Freedom of Information request to find out what dirt they dug up on me in the investigation. It was a few years ago, so I didn't have much of an online presence then - but I could see that had I been caught now and investigated as thoroughly as I was then, I'd have been in a lot more trouble. The "investigation" essentially amounted to Googling my name with a few keywords, but they also interrogated people close to me (friends, boss, etc) so would have found out my UER handle one way or another had I had one at the time.



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I've heard the "6 months" figure cited countless times now, but when I looked it up I could not find any reference to it in legislation.

Can you point me to your reference for it being 6 months?


"Why that's easy Viscount, why let us see what papa Google has to say..."


I cannot for the life of me find it; this six month figure isn't in the Trespass to Property Act, wtf people?

The closest thing I have found is that the Ontario Limitations Act says that Provincial Offences have a basic time limit of 2 years. This is wayyy too long to wait to post pics. This goes for the $65 fine thing as well, I've found the maximum fine is $2000, but I've been unable to see why it seems everyone gets the $65 standard.


Posted by The Viscount Andrew Dalton
The "investigation" essentially amounted to Googling my name with a few keywords, but they also interrogated people close to me (friends, boss, etc)

That first part sounds about right, but how'd that 'interrogate' people, was it just like a phone call?




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76. (1) A proceeding shall not be commenced after the expiration of any limitation period prescribed by or under any Act for the offence or, where no limitation period is prescribed, after six months after the date on which the

As per your quote:

2. (1) This Act applies to claims pursued in court proceedings other than,

(a) proceedings to which the Real Property Limitations Act applies;

(b) proceedings in the nature of an appeal, if the time for commencing them is governed by an Act or rule of court;

(c) proceedings under the Judicial Review Procedure Act;

(d) proceedings to which the Provincial Offences Act applies;
offence was, or is alleged to have been, committed.



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76. (1) A proceeding shall not be commenced after the expiration of any limitation period prescribed by or under any Act for the offence or, where no limitation period is prescribed, after six months after the date on which the [offence was, or is alleged to have been, committed]


Thanks Instrinsic! That is exactly what I was looking for.

catdog23
That first part sounds about right, but how'd that 'interrogate' people, was it just like a phone call?


Phone call for some, but they went and talked to others in person. It was really thorough (and disproportionate in my opinion).

P.s. your answer was hilarious. Thanks for that!




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Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.

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Phone call for some, but they went and talked to others in person. It was really thorough (and disproportionate in my opinion).



Was this in the years right after 9/11? Maybe they were a bit touchy about people gaining unauthorized access to certain government- owned locations. Still, yeah, that's a pretty thorough investigation.



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