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[media] Burwash Trespassing Issues
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A short news segment on trespass issues and concerns of the property owner.




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< Reply # 1 on 10/11/2015 2:15 PM >
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I would not have guessed that whomever owned it looked like this guy




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In other news: trespassing at Camp Bison increases 1000% due to the Streisand Effect.




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< Reply # 3 on 10/12/2015 1:47 PM >
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Re: [media] Burwash Trespassing Issues
< Reply # 4 on 10/12/2015 7:29 PM >
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Maybe if he wasn't charging insane amounts per person for a self-guided tour or camping trip he wouldn't be having these issues. Of course there will still be some wanting to ignore the legal lanes of accessing the property - but I think if he was being a bit more sensible with his marketing, people would be more interested in working with him.

But then again, the vandals just wanna vandalize and be pieces of shit. I don't think much can be done to deter them.

He knew what he was getting into when he bought the property, I think he's being a little unreasonable about his expectations. He hasn't really set up anything to prevent people from getting in, or made an effort to secure his property...




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< Reply # 5 on 10/15/2015 12:07 AM >
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I would not have guessed that whomever owned it looked like this guy


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< Reply # 6 on 10/15/2015 2:50 AM >
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Dear CTV,

The story you recently aired entitled Northern Ontario Trespassing Issues is yet another example of your right wing fascistic editorializing. Right out of the gate you begin the story by stating that trespassers have been causing problems.

This is a completely biased opinion on your part. You present absolutely no evidence that any trespassing occurring whatsoever other than the word of one man who is obviously delusional, paranoid and probably on drugs (sunglasses on an overcast day? He's hiding his bloodshot and dilated eyes).

Your hit piece then quotes this alleged property owner who says, "People are partying and smashing beer bottles all over the place and writing profanity on the prison walls..."

This cleverly edited statement clearly shows your bias against artistic expression, as well as the glass and brewery industries. I suspect the entire statement was scripted so that you could strong arm these businesses into advertising on your network.

Profanity on the prison walls? Have you ever been inside a prison? I'm pretty sure that was there already.

He goes on to say that he can't leave any machinery on his property out in the fields without any damage being done to it. Has he tried? What was damaged? Did your reporter even make a cursory effort to verify this mans claims? A simple call to the police (who you later go on to interview) easily could have confirmed this fact but instead you simply accept his word that this is occuring. In fact you did none of these because it never happened! It's blatantly obvious that you are simply supporting this mans claims and those of law enforcement in order to bring about a fascist police state!

49 seconds into the story you show an exterior shot of the building showing graffiti allegedly done by these people. I have to say that I strongly object to this. Firstly it wasn't established that anyone other than the property owner has done this. Secondly your shot shows the word "fuck" clearly painted on the building. Have you no moral or journalistic standards? There was no warning at the beginning of the piece stating that this story contained adult material. I now have my 5 year old running around the house saying "fuck" constantly.

The next segment goes on to say that thi guy has encountered these "trespassers" face to face. Again, no evidence of any trespassing has occurred and you just accept the word of one man who may be seeing and hearing things. He's probably mentally ill and off his meds! Evidence for this is provided by this guy himself when he says that after asking these phantom individuals to leave they call the cops on HIM! This statement is delusional on the face of it! What trespasser is going to call the police on a property owner?

But once again there is no challenge or investigation into this absurd assertion.

Next, your "reporter" states that there have been 4 complaints of trespassing since September. What was the result of these complaints? Where there any arrests? If not isn't THAT the real story here - the ineffectiveness of law enforcement to protect the rights of property owners? How many of these complaints were from these phantom trespassers calling to complain about the property owner?

Next you say that hikers, people on ATV's and pickup trucks are entering the site and you show where they are coming from. Firstly, I'm shocked you didn't just provide a map for them! Secondly I doubt strongly that either an ATV nor certainly a pickup truck are going to be able to make it over those tracks without getting stuck. Again logic and journalistic integrity is tossed away in an effort to sensationalize and distort in order to promote your own agenda.

Finally your crack staff of intrepid newsmen say that the owner recognizes that the building is of historic interest but is frustrated that trespassing is taking place. Shouldn't the story be then (assuming this is actually true) that this guy and law enforcement is allowing these things to occur? Shouldn't you be more concerned with their negligence rather than the whining of a delusional drug addict?

Why weren't any of these "trespassers" interviewed? If this is happening all the time you guy could have just hung around and waited to speak with these individuals yourself to get the other side of the story. This piece was completely biased and one sided and is what I have come to expect from a 4th rate news team who obtained their journalism degrees from a correspondence school in Nigeria!

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I cleaned up the typos and actually sent this to the news guys. It'll be interesting to see if they respond...



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The funniest part is him complaining about graffiti, last time I was there, the place was already covered!




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Who wants to plan a team outing there haha?




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< Reply # 9 on 10/15/2015 6:26 PM >
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having been there a few times I can say with absolute certainty that trespassing and vandalism *IS* a legitimate issue for this place. For years it existed in a state of limbo with no owner presence, but now that an individual has purchased it of course he's going to want to protect his investment.

The bulk of the vandalism however is being done by local Affliction wearing ATV Bro's and not urban explorers. We've run into explorers there a few times and they've always been polite and low key. It's the douche nozzles ripping it up on dirt bikes with beer and shotguns who are probably smashing bottles all over the place. That being said, this place is practically falling in on itself and has been for some time - he should be more worried about the liability of someone falling and dying than people tagging up the walls with cocks and whatnot.

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This place was vandalized long ago...
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Who wants to plan a team outing there haha?


Hahahah you're a few years too late...
Check out the "CBC's" thread.. (Camp bison campouts)




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Seems like hes not trying all that hard to stop people Seeing how theres not even a 'No Trespassing' sign...




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The bulk of the vandalism however is being done by local Affliction wearing ATV Bro's and not urban explorers. We've run into explorers there a few times and they've always been polite and low key. It's the douche nozzles ripping it up on dirt bikes with beer and shotguns who are probably smashing bottles all over the place.


Ahhhh, you mean like these upstanding citizens we met the last time we visited...





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Ahhhh, you mean like these upstanding citizens we met the last time we visited...

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I think the yokels have the upper advantage with the zombie apocalypse... Lol!







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Worried about trespassing and vandalism?

Definitely broadcast your location on the news for all to see...

Some people. ha!




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So I had a bit of an adventure during my attempt at accessing Burwash.

We were coming up from Toronto. It was supposed to take 4 hours but we hit some snow around Barrie (what is it with tractor trailers doing over 100km/h in blinding snow?).

So a total of 5 hours on the road and we make it to around the south end of Neilly Lake in Burwash.

There was also snowfall in Burwash but they plowed the "main" road to the gravel site.

Burwash Correct Centre Road passes Neilly Lake then Sawmill Lake (going off Google Maps here), then you're supposed to make a left turn onto an unnamed road that heads towards the train tracks.

Well, the road that branches off Burwash Correct Centre Road was not plowed and yours truly had to be a big shot and attempt to conquer it with 2-wheel drive and no winter tires. Yours truly made it a couple hundred feet, lost speed, hit a deeper point, and got stuck.

How long were we stuck? Oh about 3 hours.

About 1.5 hours into the ordeal I decided to call a tow company to ask about rates because efforts were futile. I didn't have any numbers so I had to call OPP who were kind enough to provide me with some numbers.

First company I called said they wouldn't even send a truck to Burwash (from Sudbury).

Second company quoted $90/hour, which I'm guessing included travel time. So half an hour from Sudbury one-way, I was looking at $180 minimum total. And yours truly didn't have that much moolah.

And I guess that's when something snapped inside my brain. I can't fully explain it but I went into Neanderthal mode. I don't know how I did it but we did that trick where you go forward a tiny distance, back a tiny distance, forward a tiny distance, etc., until you're steadily going back and forth and make a little trail for yourself. At other points in the ordeal the car wouldn't move in any direction even half an inch. Yes, we tried taking out the car mats and placing them under the tires for traction.

So 5 hours on the road, 3 hours in the snow, 8 hours total, we're finally ready to start our hike in.

Google Maps sort of betrayed me here. I inputted directions and it said we could drive up to a point where we would only need to walk 20 mins to the prison.

Well, that's not the case.

My fault for not researching entirely but just to confirm what the article said, you cannot drive over the train tracks, unless you have an off-road type vehicle.

So we left the car around the south end of Neilly Lake and we start walking. It was myself and one other person. It was also 20 below with a considerable amount of snow on the ground but the area is in a valley so absolutely no wind which helped tremendously.

We walk an hour, nothing. Two hours, nothing.

It's 2pm at this point and it starts getting dark between 4-5pm.

We decide to call it quits and head back. Even if we had made it, we wouldn't have had that much sunlight left and it would've been a rushed exploration.

To sum up: 5 hour drive, 3 hours in the snow, 4 hours total of walking (2 hours each way).

And now that I got back home I found out a yahoo purchased the property who's had run-ins with explorers. Maybe 3 hours stuck in the snow was a blessing in disguise.

I'm planning to go back in the spring.

Here's a few pictures I took on the way in. Of course none of the pics are of the actual prison since we didn't make it in.

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As you can see in the 2nd last pic, you will have to cross a little waterway that's about 6 feet long. There's also another one further down. If you can't jump or don't have high boots you may find these areas challenging.




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That was an incredible story! Too bad you had all that trouble. Better luck next time. It might not be worth the risk though.




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