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Re: When the cops come?
< Reply # 20 on 5/9/2016 4:47 PM >
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The important thing to remember is if the cops are there, its due to only 2 different reasons: a cop physically saw you, or they were sent there via a person who saw you. Either way, we as explorers don't know what was observed...that can be a bad thing. As far as we know, the person who called the police could have said the observed somebody break in, or anything as far as dragging a body in the place.

With that being said, whether you see only one car show up, it doesn't mean there is only one cop there. Having that in mind, easing the cop's mind is the best thing you can do, and you can easily do that by approaching in a polite demeanor and just talk your way out of it.

If its a rent-a-cop? ignore everything above...

(note) I have a lot of police friends and have talked to them about this kind of situation.




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< Reply # 21 on 5/10/2016 9:39 PM >
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The important thing to remember is if the cops are there, its due to only 2 different reasons: a cop physically saw you, or they were sent there via a person who saw you.


Also alarms. You have a decent chance of both running and hiding in this case, as they get far more false alarms than real ones. Just don't leave anything that could signal your presence (/give the dogs something to sniff). Made that mistake once too many times (which was once).

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(note) I have a lot of police friends and have talked to them about this kind of situation.


Are they state troopers or city cops? What state? (the collective ethos of the cops varies widely from place to place, hence my question)




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< Reply # 22 on 5/10/2016 10:44 PM >
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The important thing to remember is if the cops are there, its due to only 2 different reasons: a cop physically saw you, or they were sent there via a person who saw you. Either way, we as explorers don't know what was observed...that can be a bad thing. As far as we know, the person who called the police could have said the observed somebody break in, or anything as far as dragging a body in the place.



Fact is if the cops show up, you don't know why they're there all unless you make contact with them. If they're there in force something is going on and you better think fast and be right...




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< Reply # 23 on 5/11/2016 3:18 PM >
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Also alarms. You have a decent chance of both running and hiding in this case, as they get far more false alarms than real ones. Just don't leave anything that could signal your presence (/give the dogs something to sniff). Made that mistake once too many times (which was once).



Are they state troopers or city cops? What state? (the collective ethos of the cops varies widely from place to place, hence my question)


You're right...I forgot about alarms. There are false alarms, and the chance of cops "fully" investigating is pretty slim. Either way, if you have reason to believe you've been seen, the best thing is to ease their minds.

And my cop friends range from Louisiana State PD, New Orleans PD, and a few others in random spots around the Country... perks of being prior military.




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< Reply # 24 on 5/13/2016 5:13 PM >
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Yeah I guess I'll agree with the common theme here: always run from security if they try to detain you. They are literally powerless to stop you, and they're probably assholes if they're even trying to detain you for trespassing anyway. I've run into security before and I'll usually at least start off respectful with them and offer to leave of my own will so they don't need to deal with a mess during their shift but if they start jerking me around or threaten to call the police, I'll bounce.

Cops are a different matter entirely. In Ontario, trespassing is just a provincial offense ticket that you don't even NEED to pay unless you have a drivers license (it just goes to collections eventually). Running away will instantly turn that ticket into a an arrestable offence and jail time so it's just not worth it. Even if I'm pretty sure I can get away, I'd rather try being polite and reasonable with them. Had to do it once and I was able to simply walk away from the situation with a warning because of it, no ticket.




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< Reply # 25 on 5/15/2016 4:34 AM >
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Here's something I have noticed while watching the highlights of a police chase the other day.

This guy drove something like 50 miles before finally being stopped with his tired blown out and everything, he gets out and calmly puts his hands behind his head like he's going to calmly surrender and the cops proceed to just BEAT THE LIVING SHIT out of the guy. The moral of the story; the more extra work you make an officer do, the more you will piss them off, and the more trouble you will be in




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< Reply # 26 on 5/15/2016 5:43 PM >
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its up to preference. like people are saying always run from security if they are trying to detain you although sometimes they might just escort you off the property and send you on your way.
I have ran from police on more than one occasion and have always gotten away (even eluded the K9 unit twice) but I was always fortunate enough to be in situations I was confident I could make a clean get away. sometimes ya dont get so lucky. generally i would say running isnt worth the risk as running turns a simple trespassing ticket into a night in jail and a probable felony. but say im popping out of a manhole, and the police are at the manhole waiting for me should i come out and surrender? or trust the cops wont come into a drain and book it to an outfall or different manhole? sometimes it seems right, but sometimes ya gotta know ya cant win.




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< Reply # 27 on 5/18/2016 3:43 AM >
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but say im popping out of a manhole, and the police are at the manhole waiting for me should i come out and surrender? or trust the cops wont come into a drain and book it to an outfall or different manhole? sometimes it seems right, but sometimes ya gotta know ya cant win.


Let me preface this by saying that it is unlikely for the cops to be waiting for you outside the specific manhole you pop out of, even if someone saw you enter the drain. Unless that manhole was your only known POE, then there is too much ground to cover. Odds are, if they are outside the manhole, it's probably a coincidence.

However, bear in mind that in a drain you are trapped. The cops could easily get maps from the city government, and you'd be amazed at how quickly the possibility of somebody tampering with critical systems gets a bureaucracy moving. Unless you know for a fact that you can get to another exit undetected and quickly, I'd surrender. In a drain, you can only move in a few directions, and they could intercept you easily with a few officers and a map.

So, like you said, sometimes it's possible, but I think that if you've been seen it's already too late.



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It has happened to me! the cops surrounded the manhole/ our only point of exit besides a heavily flooded outfall, and tryed to ambush us when we came out. i was in the back of the single file line (3 of us) when the front runner attempted to leave but was confronted by police shining bright mag lights down the manhole. we made a getaway, although it was way to close for comfort.



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I've yet to get caught by anyone. I see some of you saw to talk your way out of it... what would you even say? I photograph abandoned places? They'll definitely see camera in hand or my camera bag. But is that enough.



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< Reply # 30 on 5/19/2016 11:40 PM >
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I've yet to get caught by anyone. I see some of you saw to talk your way out of it... what would you even say? I photograph abandoned places? They'll definitely see camera in hand or my camera bag. But is that enough.


It depends on the cops and the circumstances. Never lie when the truth would serve you better. Be compliant with LEOs at all times. If the property owner wants to press charges you are prolly boned.

However know your state's trespassing laws. If it's not properly posted, etc tell the cop politely. A good cop won't bust you if it's a plainly noticeably bad bust.
If they still arrest you document the lack of proper signage for the court hearing.

Don't think you're invincible; try to keep a low profile.



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< Reply # 31 on 5/20/2016 1:29 AM >
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It depends on the cops and the circumstances. Never lie when the truth would serve you better. Be compliant with LEOs at all times. If the property owner wants to press charges you are prolly boned.

However know your state's trespassing laws. If it's not properly posted, etc tell the cop politely. A good cop won't bust you if it's a plainly noticeably bad bust.
If they still arrest you document the lack of proper signage for the court hearing.

Don't think you're invincible; try to keep a low profile.




There are a few times places were not properly signed. But most of time they are. I've been fortunate enough to have some property owners allow me access or cities issue me permits. But most of the time luck is not on my side and I just have to take the risk.

I appreciate your advice. I always try to keep a low profile. But that can be hard with my camera bag and a tripod.

Any advice on detecting whether a place has security or not?





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Any advice on detecting whether a place has security or not?




Ride around to spot security if you can, observe from a distance. A good pair of tactical wide field of view binoculars is nice to have.
Use your eyes and ears when on site. Spot or hear them before they see you.

Ditch the tripod if you can; learn to free shoot were light permits. Brace on any object that will work.




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Ride around to spot security if you can, observe from a distance. A good pair of tactical wide field of view binoculars is nice to have.
Use your eyes and ears when on site. Spot or hear them before they see you.

Ditch the tripod if you can; learn to free shoot were light permits. Brace on any object that will work.


I'm definitely going to need to invest in binoculars then. I try not to bring the tripod unless I know I'm absolutely going to need it. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a field photographing a barn or what not and a cop has stopped to ask what I'm doing like I'm setting up a sniper rifle or something.

But since I don't do a lot of night time photography I usually have camera in hand. I don't like to use the tripod unless it's a must.

How much do you trust word of mouth on places said to be patrolled? If at all.




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I'm definitely going to need to invest in binoculars then. I try not to bring the tripod unless I know I'm absolutely going to need it. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a field photographing a barn or what not and a cop has stopped to ask what I'm doing like I'm setting up a sniper rifle or something.

But since I don't do a lot of night time photography I usually have camera in hand. I don't like to use the tripod unless it's a must.

How much do you trust word of mouth on places said to be patrolled? If at all.


A stupid 13 yo kid got me busted because she thought my tripod was a rifle from 15 feet away. I'm tired of tripod tip overs too. That cost me over $800 one time. They waste energy, time, money, and sanity when not needed.

Shooting freestyle is all about technique and practice. It's worth learning and similar to sharp shooting in skill sets although different.
It's need more more action and street shooting, but it ease and fluidity carry over nicely for shooting stills in complicated environments. Unlimited positions and shooting heights with minimum set up time. It takes a while to get good at it and practice...

Use a bush towel to rest the cam on. Use any stable surface vertical or horizontal to brace the cam on. The ground, door frames, walls, poles, etc or use the standard free standing shooting position; feet shoulder wide apart or wider, one foot slightly forward if this helps, elbows in. Use breath control just like target shooting and a smooth shutter release. Street shooting taught got me good at this technique. Always brace on something when you can even if it your body and not the cam. The cam needs to become an extension of you, part of you. As this happens your shooting will become fluid and second nature.




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A stupid 13 yo kid got me busted because she thought my tripod was a rifle from 15 feet away. I'm tired of tripod tip overs too. That cost me over $800 one time. They waste energy, time, money, and sanity when not needed.

Shooting freestyle is all about technique and practice. It's worth learning and similar to sharp shooting in skill sets although different.
It's need more more action and street shooting, but it ease and fluidity carry over nicely for shooting stills in complicated environments. Unlimited positions and shooting heights with minimum set up time. It takes a while to get good at it and practice...

Use a bush towel to rest the cam on. Use any stable surface vertical or horizontal to brace the cam on. The ground, door frames, walls, poles, etc or use the standard free standing shooting position; feet shoulder wide apart or wider, one foot slightly forward if this helps, elbows in. Use breath control just like target shooting and a smooth shutter release. Street shooting taught got me good at this technique. Always brace on something when you can even if it your body and not the cam. The cam needs to become an extension of you, part of you. As this happens your shooting will become fluid and second nature.



Oh wow. Busted? I would be pissed. That time was the only time the cops ever bothered me... it was night time and 3 stopped. I had a decent laugh with them but I'd rather not draw the attention. I do try to always use my hands. I have a peak design hand strap that I love. It's helped me a lot to keep a steady hand in darker environments.

I never thought of setting the camera down on anything. I am going to experiment with that. Thank you! I have found myself trying to hold my breath. I'm not sure if I tuck my elbows in or not but I will most certainly be more conscientious to do so.




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Oh wow. Busted? I would be pissed. That time was the only time the cops ever bothered me... it was night time and 3 stopped. I had a decent laugh with them but I'd rather not draw the attention. I do try to always use my hands. I have a peak design hand strap that I love. It's helped me a lot to keep a steady hand in darker environments.

I never thought of setting the camera down on anything. I am going to experiment with that. Thank you! I have found myself trying to hold my breath. I'm not sure if I tuck my elbows in or not but I will most certainly be more conscientious to do so.


Even the cops were irritated at the kid. She caused a lot of bs.

Try to avoid night time exploring unless the place is blacked out or only accessible at night. It's more dangerous, shooting is harder, and criminals/vandals came out at night; cops know this.

Like I said the cam needs to become a part of you. I lean on stuff all the time, why wouldn't I do the same with the cam to get an easier shot? I like street shooting the most because it's a challenge. People are tough to shoot and the way your present yourself makes or breaks it. Being relaxed and fluid is part of it. You need to line up shots quick and right. Another reason I don't like decking around with a tripod.

If you need a tripod use it, but loose it if you don't. The only thing that counts is getting the max number of keepers and getting home in one piece.




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Even the cops were irritated at the kid. She caused a lot of bs.

Try to avoid night time exploring unless the place is blacked out or only accessible at night. It's more dangerous, shooting is harder, and criminals/vandals came out at night; cops know this.

Like I said the cam needs to become a part of you. I lean on stuff all the time, why wouldn't I do the same with the cam to get an easier shot? I like street shooting the most because it's a challenge. People are tough to shoot and the way your present yourself makes or breaks it. Being relaxed and fluid is part of it. You need to line up shots quick and right. Another reason I don't like decking around with a tripod.

If you need a tripod use it, but loose it if you don't. The only thing that counts is getting the max number of keepers and getting home in one piece.


I don't blame any of you. I'm irritated hearing about it. Were you somewhere you shouldn't have been or?

Where I was, was a barn right by my place. I'll add the photo at the bottom. It's a nice area so I think they were very taken back. Ha. But I hear you. The people I've encountered in the day light makes me not want to know who or what I would run into at night.

I have used a lot of door frames and walls. But I think I'm going to keep my eye out for more things that I wouldn't normally use. You have sparked my brain into wanting to be more alert of what I can use then just the shot I am trying to get. I haven't done too much street photography. I would love to start but I'm not sure how most people would feel knowing I am photographing them.









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I think you should read the book Access All Areas by Ninja. There is come gold in there about what to do in a situation like that. Basically he talks about ways to talk your way out of things. I really enjoyed that book and you can get it from Amazon here: http://www.amazon.ca/dp/0973778709

I'm not trying to sell you the bible of this forum but I think it is really helpful and you could get some really good insight from reading it.


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This is what I did when the cops came - in a word, hide in plain sight. I made my way into a structure in a more visible spot than I'd planned on initially (the building is shaped like a giant X when seen from above and there is one part of the X that has an extra build out which creates a small portion of the building being invisible from all of the roads. Sadly all the windows in this portion were well above my head and I'm a shitty climber). So I walked to the less busy of the 4 sides of the building, found a loose board, wiggled a screw loose and oddly enough found myself inside - weird how that happens! So wandering around I find much of the building has been lightly tagged, limitedly scrapped and overall was a nice find. Then I get to the other side of the X - where there are alarm company signs, motion detector cameras and either my movements or the kids body yanking the doors from the outside triggered an alarm. This side of the building looked like it was a usable office space, clean, newish carpets, no tagging and maybe newish paint job. I was pretty far in so I kept going for a while and just avoided the cameras as best I could until I tried to go to the second story. This part was strange - the cameras disappeared and it's an abandoned building that has been accessed many times from I can tell, however someone took the time to double board, weld and screw, or close off all upstairs access. One of the doors I tried had a small window in it and from what I could see the top floor has been hit much harder than the bottom. In an effort to get up there I found myself in a stairwell full of rat shit and bird feathers, and most importantly a window to see my POE. Well good thing o looked outside! I see the local PD slow cruise past my POE - I knew he couldn't see it unless he got really close but he sat a little longer than I would have liked. Ok, time to start getting out. I go to the bottom of the stairs and can see out the windows to another side of the X - hmmm two more cop cars...so I wait. I was in a spot where I could see them but they most likely couldn't see me so I sat there until the drove away. I banked on there being more important things going on than me and I think that played out.

So when the cops come? If possible, stay still until they leave!




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