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"Boost" oxygen tanks as a safety measure while draining?
< on 8/2/2017 10:41 PM >
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Living in Colorado, I see a lot of those "Boost" oxygen cans for sale. I guess they're supposed to be supplemental oxygen for people on high altitudes who are not acclimated to the lower amount of oxygen in the air.

Would these be a smart safety measure to bring when draining? Obviously, if the drain is dangerous enough to need air then it's really not worth exploring. But worst case, could these be helpful, either from lack of 02 or potentially poisonous gas? A safety measure giving you enough time to get out?

I guess it kind of seems like if you're in so much trouble that you need a can of oxygen, you're really not going to gain much from anything besides a self contained system, right?




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If you're starving to death, ingesting a Powerbar might help a bit.

If you accidentally ingested cyanide, chasing that with the same Powerbar won't really help much.

Whereas oxygen deprivation/debt might be somewhat alleviated with a can of oxygen, a dangerous sewer is not deprived of oxygen because it's some partial vacuum. It's because the safe air has been displaced by heavier gases, many that will go immediately through your respiratory membranes and into your bloodstream before you even realize the air is weird. And all of them will have biological effects (even inert CO2 has effects on your blood pH), and many of them toxic.

Bringing your own gases to protect yourself from a toxic atmosphere is only workable if you've got an apparatus that excludes the toxic atmosphere, eg. an industrial/rescue SCBA, and only if you have that working before you encounter the 'bad air' in amounts your not-attuned-to-toxic-gases nose can detect. For that you need a portable gas monitor... which is the expensive and consumable device that people recommend drainers to have.

TLDR; the "Boost" canned oxygen probably isn't going to help, and it might be hazardous for giving a false sense of security.




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< Reply # 2 on 8/2/2017 11:22 PM >
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If you're starving to death, ingesting a Powerbar might help a bit.

If you accidentally ingested cyanide, chasing that with the same Powerbar won't really help much.

Whereas oxygen deprivation/debt might be somewhat alleviated with a can of oxygen, a dangerous sewer is not deprived of oxygen because it's some partial vacuum. It's because the safe air has been displaced by heavier gases, many that will go immediately through your respiratory membranes and into your bloodstream before you even realize the air is weird. And all of them will have biological effects (even inert CO2 has effects on your blood pH), and many of them toxic.

Bringing your own gases to protect yourself from a toxic atmosphere is only workable if you've got an apparatus that excludes the toxic atmosphere, eg. an industrial/rescue SCBA, and only if you have that working before you encounter the 'bad air' in amounts your not-attuned-to-toxic-gases nose can detect. For that you need a portable gas monitor... which is the expensive and consumable device that people recommend drainers to have.

TLDR; the "Boost" canned oxygen probably isn't going to help, and it might be hazardous for giving a false sense of security.


Exactly, SCBA gear is needed for truly hazardous atmospheres.

With methane it might help but H2S reacts with your hemoglobin and displaces O2.
A none sealed system would be useless if there's H2S.
In a CO2 contaminated atmosphere supplemental O2 wouldn't be useful as the elevated CO2 levels would induce faster respiration eventually to the point of exhaustion. Again you need a SCBA.
Humans have a narrow range for O2 to support life; a silly couple percent drop can kill you.





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I sent out a heap of prank-letters off to businesses for a regular column in my Il Draino zine. Here is one that the OP reminded me of :)

I wrote to them asking for more information on a pill I'd heard about that apparently helps you breath underwater if a drain floods.

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Actually, why don't you consider a respirator that's rated for H2S escape? Depending on the situation you can sometimes smell the rotten eggs smell or you will feel dizzy or get a headache before it's too late. If you get a ov/ag cartridge for your respirator it can give you a much better chance of survival. That being said, it will not guarantee your safety but it could possibly save your life. The best option would be to buy a H2S tester which can be found on ebay for less than 100 bucks. Don't gamble with your life.




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Posted by Doug
I sent out a heap of prank-letters off to businesses for a regular column in my Il Draino zine. Here is one that the OP reminded me of :)

I wrote to them asking for more information on a pill I'd heard about that apparently helps you breath underwater if a drain floods.

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Geez, just noticed you have to pay ca$h for third party hosting with your Photobucket account. That sucks.



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Actually, why don't you consider a respirator that's rated for H2S escape? Depending on the situation you can sometimes smell the rotten eggs smell or you will feel dizzy or get a headache before it's too late. If you get a ov/ag cartridge for your respirator it can give you a much better chance of survival. That being said, it will not guarantee your safety but it could possibly save your life. The best option would be to buy a H2S tester which can be found on ebay for less than 100 bucks. Don't gamble with your life.


If the absorbent becomes saturated you be dead meat.
In high concentrations it be useless.
SCBA or an air fed supply is required for confined space that will not support life.
If you don't have the training, you're not ready to enter one of these hellholes... results are final.




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Am I the only one who pictured the use for this "safety measure" would be you put it under you, then you shoot it with an incendiary weapon and ride the blast wave upwards and out of whatever quagmire you're in? Totally valid in gaming physics.




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Am I the only one who pictured the use for this "safety measure" would be you put it under you, then you shoot it with an incendiary weapon and ride the blast wave upwards and out of whatever quagmire you're in? Totally valid in gaming physics.


LMAO
The thought had crossed my mind that carrying a gas oxider around may not be the best way to splore confined spaces with.
I stand corrected*





*H2S is flammable... boom.



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A lot of work lugging the extra thing around and whatnot (as well as being properly trained in its use) for very little possibility of it actually being helpful (it probably won't do much for toxic gases or anything other than it's intended use--supplementing oxygen for low O2 spaces due to something like altitude), I personally don't feel like it'd really be worth it.

Besides, even in a space where it would be helpful, if you don't really know in advance that it will be low O2, chances are by the time you realize that you're low on O2 you'll be too out of it to actually use them properly, if at all.




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I never go exploring without at least two bottles of O'hare Air with me!









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Those tourist bottles designed for fat people in the mountains?

Their capacity is tiny - I wonder how long you could actually breathe just on one of those little bottles.




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