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Re: Some people are begging to be trolled
< Reply # 40 on 11/6/2017 6:05 PM >
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Im gonna take a wild guess and assume you are either the photographer in question or one of their friends. The photographer vandalized a building for the sake of self promotion a at the end of the day this is not better than tagging your IG handle in a bathroom stall or the side of someones house. So excuse me if people get angry about that.


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What did you say? Speak up...the battery in my hearing aid must be dead.

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Re: Some people are begging to be trolled
< Reply # 42 on 11/7/2017 12:44 AM >
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A troll: a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content; an ugly person. Also known as a bully. Both online trolls and bullies are ugly people inside. And here I see a lot of very ugly people who have nothing better to do with their time than to pick on a College student. The level of hatred and bullying makes me feel sick- but I suppose to those of you who find this type of behaviour- while living in their glass houses hiding behind the safety of a screen you don't mind being part of the problem. You don't mind being ugly souls who bully young girls for the sake of some entertainment while exercising what you believe is your right to hurt and diminish another person who has never actually caused harm to you. A bunch of adults being nothing more than small-minded ugly people- it makes me sad. I have looked at the art-work and it's gorgeous and shows an extreme amount of talent. What I find ugly and horrible are the people who have nothing better to do than "creep" a young woman to purposely cause hurt. As with all bullies I guess you feel big and powerful and good. As Martin Luther King Jr. said "darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that; hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that". I feel sorry for you all that you allow hate and poison to fill these forums and bully and troll a young girl- if only we could learn as a society to always be kind, to always lift people up instead of tear them down. But I read these posts and I realize that as long as people like you act the way you do, and are lifted up by other mean-spirited trolls and bullies it will always be a dark, hateful place filled with ugliness. Each one of you are part of the problem. Ugly, irrelevant, offensive antagonists. Congratulations- those are good qualities to have in life.


If you believe that what you have encountered here is bullying or that you have been trolled by other members of this forum I have some good news for you. You have apparently never been bullied or trolled before.

No, what you have encountered here is banter. The worst you may have encountered here is a form of community policing that took place in order to correct behavior that is considered outside the norms of this group.

You have identified yourself as both a young girl and a college student. You may consider yourself young, but in general most college students are adults. I assume that you are one as well. As an adult you should be expected to deal with negative criticism without overly internalizing it. You claim to be a college student and I find that sad, not that you are furthering your education that is always admirable, but that you have gotten this far in life with parents teachers and professors that have apparently provided such an immense disservice to you. The disservice that I refer to is that apparently you have never been taught that outside the halls of Academia there is no safe space.

The faster that you come to terms with that the better off you will be.




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Re: Some people are begging to be trolled
< Reply # 43 on 11/7/2017 2:35 AM >
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No, what you have encountered here is banter. The worst you may have encountered here is a form of community policing that took place in order to correct behavior that is considered outside the norms of this group.


I don't necessarily disagree with this majority of this argument, but that being said, I think there is a least one instance where things escalated past simple community policing.

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Just creeped her instagram and I have to say...I've never seen an uglier group of fiends in my life, like holy shit, Keene has some fucking ugly ass folks.


This particular aesthetic evaluation is hard to picture as correcting... I guess it can be seen as correcting in the sense that it serves as a deterrent, i.e. if you don't want your friends to be insulted by random strangers online then don't do dumb ass tags, but this takes "giving the benefit of the doubt" to pretty extreme levels, and even still, I think we can all agree it still serves as an ineffectual deterrent.

Now, this isn't to say that this comment was "wrong" in a moral sense, the world is far too complicated to say anything meaningful about what is right and what is wrong. Furthermore, you're right that we are dealing with adults here who one would expect would be prepared enough to deal with both unsolicited and solicited negative criticism without freaking out.

However, let's not paint ourselves as heroes. Our response, our "banter", to this tag is no more justified than Smiling's response to this thread. We are all just a bunch of assholes giving our opinion on things that we like or dislike.




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Ok ok, maybe it was mean to say people in Keene are fugly. What I should have said is that insta-vandal-photog MAKES her friends look fugly via artistic misinterpretation, but there's a soft warm fuzzy place for all bad photog-self-aggrandizing-vandals to land, it's just not here. Sometimes it's even a jail cell, but who am I to judge. Here you'll find a bunch of assholes who like heritage structures to remain unmarred by "young innocent girls" boo hoo. There.




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Re: Some people are begging to be trolled
< Reply # 45 on 11/7/2017 3:41 AM >
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self-aggrandizing


How is it that I have gone my entire life having never heard that term...yet now in the last week I have seen it used twice in this forum?

Weird!




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I don't necessarily disagree with this majority of this argument, but that being said, I think there is a least one instance where things escalated past simple community policing.



Almost every time someone gets flamed to a cinder here there's a good reason.
We communicate by phone, texts, emails and PMs; not just posts... and it's a small, small world.
Vandals, scrapers and arsonists are not tolerated here, nor should they be.

You've been here a year; you haven't seen a real UER flame war yet.
Just wittle wuv taps




This particular aesthetic evaluation is hard to picture as correcting... I guess it can be seen as correcting in the sense that it serves as a deterrent, i.e. if you don't want your friends to be insulted by random strangers online then don't do dumb ass tags, but this takes "giving the benefit of the doubt" to pretty extreme levels, and even still, I think we can all agree it still serves as an ineffectual deterrent.

Now, this isn't to say that this comment was "wrong" in a moral sense, the world is far too complicated to say anything meaningful about what is right and what is wrong. Furthermore, you're right that we are dealing with adults here who one would expect would be prepared enough to deal with both unsolicited and solicited negative criticism without freaking out.

However, let's not paint ourselves as heroes. Our response, our "banter", to this tag is no more justified than Smiling's response to this thread. We are all just a bunch of assholes giving our opinion on things that we like or dislike.



I'm completely intolerant of vandals, scrapers and arsonists.
A few have learned the hard way because they crossed my path.
Trash my photo shoot and there will be consequences.

More accurately we are all misfits of some sort here, but that's most people than isn't it?
There are a lot of good people here.
Most places I explore never get posted and when they do I'm careful it doesn't cause trouble to that site or its owners.
I'm merely an explorer... that's interested in seeing relics of the past.
My motivation is pure personal curiosity.
I loathe photo whores.



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Re: Some people are begging to be trolled
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Almost every time someone gets flamed to a cinder here there's a good reason.

Oh, I don't disagree, in fact, I would go as far as saying every time someone gets flamed there's a good reason, but that's because, as far as I am concerned, good reason is entirely subjective.




Posted by blackhawk
I'm completely intolerant of vandals, scrapers and arsonists.
A few have learned the hard way because they crossed my path.
Trash my photo shoot and there will be consequences.

More accurately we are all misfits of some sort here, but that's most people than isn't it?
There are a lot of good people here.
Most places I explore never get posted and when they do I'm careful it doesn't cause trouble to that site or its owners.
I'm merely an explorer... that's interested in seeing relics of the past.
My motivation is pure personal curiosity.
I loathe photo whores.

Absolutely, your feelings and responses are completely valid and I'm not trying to get you or anyone else to stop doing whatever it is you're doing.
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I feel like the purpose of my post, which was nothing more than a two-fold critique of CaptOrbit's claim that community policing is going on, is being missed and interpreted as a moral evaluation of the discussions going on in this thread. Thus, I will try to clarify what I meant to say.

My first critique was that not everything in this thread can be seen as correcting because there is at least one instance of a useless aesthetic evaluation, which in and of itself cannot be said to be right or wrong as far as I am concerned.

My second critique was in regards to what I interpreted from CaptOrbit's argument, perhaps erroneously, that community correcting is justified. Since there is no way to prove that our ideas for what's right and wrong somehow are able to transcend relativity, then nothing we do can ever be truly justified beyond our subjective opinion. Therefore, believing we are right to do any kind of "correcting" here is an assumption.

So by all means, keep doing what you're doing, that's not what I am concerned about. The only target of my posts is metaphysical assertions that certain behaviors can be argued to be truely just or unjust.




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Re: Some people are begging to be trolled
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Ok ok, maybe it was mean to say people in Keene are fugly.

Don't worry I wasn't trying to say what you did or didn't do was right or wrong or call you out on anything. Just that it was an example of negative criticism that could not be considered useful for "correcting" anything. If you ask me, there are many instances where such negative criticism is perfectly fine and this may even be one of them, or it may be not.

So I apologize if my lack of clarity came off as calling you out since that was not my intention





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Trespassing wayfarer, there is a culture here as well as subcultures.
Many never read* enough posts or communicate enough with other members to grasp it fully.
Are oblivious to it.
Until it smacks them in the face.
Understand the culture and it's norms, or suffer.
Unless you can lead, the culture will not follow you, but it will give you feedback.

CO was spot on.
A lot of what goes on here is friendly banter, or debates and arguments.
Not if you came here to troll or chide us into being "sensitive"; it's fire and brimstone.
If allsmiles thought this is tough, the real world will rip her lungs out.

UER is easy as pie or as tough as you make it.
It's not that hard to read in between the lines but first you need to read them.





*you see my post count. I've read at least 10x more posts/threads than I've posted and hundreds thousands of PMs.
You can get an idea who's interested in the site by looking at their page count per log in session.
Some view dozens of pages, others just a handful.
Watched and learned from and about this site for over a decade. It's relatively uncensored broad real time view is its biggest asset.
Personally I resent one time posters taking cheap shots after reading a dozen posts here.
They've learned nothing except failure.



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Trespassing wayfarer, there is a culture here as well as subcultures.
Many never read* enough posts or communicate enough with other members to grasp it fully.
Are oblivious to it.
Until it smacks them in the face.
Understand the culture and it's norms, or suffer.
Unless you can lead, the culture will not follow you, but it will give you feedback.

CO was spot on.
A lot of what goes on here is friendly banter, or debates and arguments.
Not if you came here to troll or chide us into being "sensitive"; it's fire and brimstone.
If allsmiles thought this is tough, the real world will rip her lungs out.

UER is easy as pie or as tough as you make it.
It's not that hard to read in between the lines but first you need to read them.

Like I said, I don't have any issues with your "fire and brimestone" and I agree that there are consequences for not following norms. Furthermore, I'm not even saying that there shouldn't be ramifications for not following these norms norms.

All I am trying to say is that whether or not you believe people should or shouldn't be punished for not following these norms, there is no truely meaningful argument that you can make that justifies either of the two beliefs, yet dispite this we will fall on either of the two sides, making us all (All meaning literally everyone in the world) a bunch of assholes armed with only opinions.

It's just a self-analysis of what it means to be a human, not a prescription for behavior, and honestly my initial post was just supposed to be a semi-silly post to get people thinking and it's clearly been blown out of proportion, so I'll drop it following this hail mary post.






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I'm not a fan of lookism either, and if Therrin were still here we'd probably be hearing about how her inferior gender is the reason she tags abandonments. Completely irrelevant and puts the body shamer in a position of weakness.

Worth a moment of introspection and doing things differently in the future -- that said, none of us owe this particular tagger any sort of apology.




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Imagine how beautiful this photo would be without this in it. This pisses me off to no end. I know I almost got into a physical altercation with the ignorant dude we have up here who tags each abandonment he goes into. All disrespect, not sorry, if you tag spots like this you deserve any kind of commentary backlash you get. Take your photos and go.




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Is it a silly thing to do?

Yes, yes it is.

But at the same time, I almost always enjoy watching a bunch of petty criminals getting mad at other petty criminals for criming the wrong way.




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But at the same time, I almost always enjoy watching a bunch of petty criminals getting mad at other petty criminals for criming the wrong way.


I had this exact same thought this morning.....




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I had this exact same thought this morning.....


Trespassing is not a crime many times if no other crime was committed in some penal codes.
Cops are a lot more likely to bust you if you're doing more than looking.

Vandalizing someone else's property is always a crime... stupid kid stuff.
Any stupid kids here?




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Yeah, I'm sick of this argument. This is like armed robbers getting all persnickety with the high-and-mighty shoplifters. "It's thieves criticising thieves, and just because we kill people doesn't mean you're any better than us."




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Yeah, I'm sick of this argument. This is like armed robbers getting all persnickety with the high-and-mighty shoplifters. "It's thieves criticising thieves, and just because we kill people doesn't mean you're any better than us."


At least this post added a bit of a jolt to this dead-ass forum.

It's quite sad how many people prefer to jump in and comment on horse shit and drama than actually provide comments on photo posts.

But I guess drama is sexy and universal and this site eats it up.




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But I guess drama is sexy and universal and this site eats it up.


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