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UER Forum > Rookie Forum > A little philosophy (Viewed 4195 times)
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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 20 on 9/3/2018 11:38 PM >
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Sorry to have offended you?


nah man actually, fuck that. I apologized and you're still trying to belittle me like I'm some brat who has everything handed to him, nah, get off my thread, thinking you know me.




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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 21 on 9/3/2018 11:49 PM >
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Ignore all the philosophy, ignore the discussion, ignore the intelligent fucking conversation, ignore the good intentions, yeah, just fuck him for being young. Lets throw all of our assumptions about young people at him, and disregard anything about interpersonal diversity or the humanity behind a kid trying to learn, and after he apologizes, lets continue implying bogus ass shit that's completely unfounded in reality because he showed me up in an argument, cause, you know, when logic fails goes straight to the personal shit. Nah. You don't know me. But fuck it, I guess I'm not ready huh? Then forget I looked to you for knowledge.




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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 22 on 9/4/2018 1:43 AM >
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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 23 on 9/4/2018 3:31 AM >
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I don't know how qualified I am to offer advice on this topic, but I'll give it a try:

As previously stated, it's a balance of responsibilities and living out your passions. I've actually been thinking about this very thing lately. I can't pretend to know your specific situation, as everyone's has its specific nuances. The thing is, no matter how careful you are, probability says that one day you'll be caught exploring, rooftopping, or whatever your particular vice is, no matter how careful you are. I've already had one super close call. Not every time you're caught means an instant criminal record. Evaluate things. How specifically will a trespass charge affect your future? It's the kind of thing that unfortunately will stay with you your whole life.

If you believe that being caught will completely ruin your current goals in life, you're left with only a few options: keep going and risk it, change your goals in life to accommodate your rooftopping passion, or change your goals in life.

For me personally, I'm a student and work part-time. Would a criminal trespass charge change my course? Most definitely. But for me personally, I'm not fully committed to one particular dream job, or one walk in life. I want to get out there and experience life and feel alive. Everyone dies but not everyone lives (I know, cheesy).

That being said, there's risks to such things. Being caught could mean my dream job will no longer be available. You can be looked at differently by society as a "convict".
Anyway, I'm gonna end my ramblings here. Hopefully you can take some sort of perspective from it? Or someone else can just shoot my philosophy down, maybe I could use the advice too idk




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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 24 on 9/4/2018 2:06 PM >
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I enter my explores the same way I enter the casino. Expect to lose. I enter the casino planning on losing $300. It makes the loss easier, and with it being planned, I am not blowing the mortgage. The bonus here is winning is a pleasant and rewarding surprise.

I enter the abandoned and off limits expecting a trespassing ticket. It doesn't matter how careful you are, there is never a guarantee you weren't spotted and reported by someone you never saw. Accepting getting caught and putting it aside helps me with the anxiety. The bonus here was an explore I had the privileged to see and took me time in doing so ~ another pleasant and rewarding surprise.

That said, expecting to get caught doesn't mean plan to get caught, and exploring recklessly as though capture is inevitable. Careful explores can avoid being caught, there just is no guarantee.

For the record, I have not been caught as of yet. At least not more than being yelled at by an owner or a nosy nobody....




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< Reply # 25 on 9/4/2018 2:14 PM >
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I'd say create your own sensible rules about how you do risky things. Risk will always be there, but if you are careful and smart about stuff, you can get away with a lot.
Don't jump into shit unless you know where you land. Be well informed about each thing (gather intel). Then you can enjoy your passion and not ruin your career. Those things can coexist.




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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 26 on 9/4/2018 3:45 PM >
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That said, expecting to get caught doesn't mean plan to get caught, and exploring recklessly as though capture is inevitable. Careful explores can avoid being caught, there just is no guarantee.

For the record, I have not been caught as of yet. At least not more than being yelled at by an owner or a nosy nobody....


I would expect and plan to be arrested if you're trespassing in/on high risk sites stateside, sooner or latter.
Rooftops are high risk because of they're generally highly visible, their a security risk and no one is normally on them especially at night.
Smart cam networks many times will be programmed so the roofs are off limit zones if in their field of view. That would most likely be a real time alert. Some cities have them in place, feds and private companies use these systems as well.
Hard to spot and very effective.

If the OP goes off on a LEO like they did in this thread... outlook not so good. Get use to talking with LEOs, walk in their shoes and learn their mindset.
Plan on talking with them when they confront you. They may be angry and you will have to deal with their anger effectively.
Not as easy as it sounds... complete compliance and speaking when spoken to, go a long way.
Never lie when the truth would serve you better. Cops hate being lied to...

I did Beth Steel at least 4 times. Medium to high risk; knew I might be arrested, but that was the only way to shoot what I wanted.
Went in predawn, left after sunset. Use tactical binoculars to spot guards and kept an eye on them the best I could especially when going up on the superstructures moving after they made their normal drive thru. Learned their routine before venturing out in more exposed areas, cat and mouse.
Minimized my time in exposed areas and stayed out of their direct line of sight, I hoped.
No regrets... I shot the hell out of that bitch.





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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 27 on 9/4/2018 4:35 PM >
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I would expect and plan to be arrested if you're trespassing in/on high risk sites stateside, sooner or latter.


True story. I have not been ANY high risk locations, and minimal moderates....




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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 28 on 9/4/2018 5:27 PM >
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In a similar boat. The last two years or so I have barely done any shoots due to working for a national company (and likely to continue with big nationals from here out) with periodic background rechecks. Like others said it was when I "got a big boy job". That and most of the cool sites around me I already hit up or have been demo'd in the last few years

The few a year I do now are very carefully picked and mostly not active sites. For me that's a bonus as I'm not really into modern anyway; I like a little mileage on them so to speak. That kinda limits your choices though, especially when it comes to rooftopping.

For me it really boiled down to risk vs reward with a big steaming pile of paranoia based boredom due to sitting out sites I would have hit back in the day. It sucks man...

In the end it has to be your choice but that's my (admittedly probably lame) take for what it's worth.


(Also, this might be extreme, but my line of work used to put me on a fair amount of commercial roofs and utility rooms. So if you REALLY want a low risk way, summer job? )





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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 29 on 9/4/2018 5:58 PM >
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I would suggest two things.

1. Minimize your risk of getting in trouble by exploring areas that might not be as high of security. This might sound weird, but if you can find substitutes for the more high-risk locations, just find happiness with the lower-risk options.

2. Learn how to talk to cops. Read some books like "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie or any other book that deals with building rapport. Trust me, if you can make a cop feel like you aren't there to be malicious, most cops are pretty easy going. Of course, some might be jerks, but you most likely are trespassing and they are trying to do their jobs. Be honest and respectful. Depending on the cop, admit that you MIGHT be wrong (never admit fault) or you might have missed a no trespassing sign, and leave when you are asked. Learn how to discuss the situation without making the discussion feel like an argument. Be civil if you disagree, and if the cop writes a ticket or makes an arrest, you'll always be able to argue it in court later. Try to come across as an upstanding citizen.

Those are my $.02. I should have been ticketed countless times, but I've only been ticketed once, and that was for speeding. Even then, what should have been reckless driving was just marked down as speeding (95 MPH in a 35 MPH Construction Zone) because I was extremely respectful.

Like others have said, if you don't do it, you won't get caught!

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Re: A little philosophy
< Reply # 30 on 9/4/2018 7:29 PM >
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nah man actually, fuck that. I apologized and you're still trying to belittle me like I'm some brat who has everything handed to him, nah, get off my thread, thinking you know me.


Apologized? Who is calling who a brat ? lololol

I think there is a private forum here for members that need a "safe space" to fantasize about exploring without any risk or troublesome real people telling them troublesome real stuff. You should join it.

omg some old guy on the Internet is being mean to me I need a safe space

But hey I can identify with your dilemma, "I wanta have wild sex with a cute gal in my neighborhood, but I don't want to get my pecker wet or have my wife find out that Im poking her, so what should I do?" I know instead, how about just a discussion about wild sex? See now, everyone thinks Im a real stud and I cant get caught...




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< Reply # 31 on 9/4/2018 7:31 PM >
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That said, expecting to get caught doesn't mean plan to get caught, and exploring recklessly as though capture is inevitable. Careful explores can avoid being caught, there just is no guarantee.



well stated




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< Reply # 32 on 9/4/2018 7:35 PM >
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If you believe that being caught will completely ruin your current goals in life, you're left with only a few options: keep going and risk it, change your goals in life to accommodate your rooftopping passion, or change your goals in life.




And this pretty much sums it all up, better than I could say it. Good $0.02 Mr Drummer !


edit: looks like y'all got this Im stepping out now feel free to whine and snivel some more, play the victim card, but at least listen to advice like this from your peers he is probably not an old guy..



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< Reply # 33 on 9/10/2018 10:10 PM >
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Hey guys, its been a while since I've posted anything. I've been laying pretty low lately aside from one pretty significant explore (relative to me), and part of the reason is because of this dilemma I have, which I'm bringing to you to maybe have a discussion about. So, I am a college student at a very good institution, and, essentially, I have my whole life set up for me as long as I put in the work and play my cards right. The only issue is that my only passion is rooftopping. I love it dearly and it makes me feel like I am living a life truly worth living, and its upsetting that I cannot truly articulate what it feels like, though I hope many of you know just the same. So, the problem is this: How do I grapple with the potential of ruining what lies before me in pursuing my passion, or on the other hand, the possibility of not enjoying my life as much as I could because I let go of my passions for the sake of security. It may seem a little dramatic, but an arrest doesn't look too hot on the background check of a Med school applicant, so I'm kind of feeling like this is a one and bust situation. I bring this to you to learn from you, so anecdotes or personal experience is very much welcomed, or even just a little devil's advocacy to fuel a discussion. How do you gauge what you value?


I think it's a shared community sentiment , the thrill of knowing that half the adventure is the challenge and risk. I don't think there's anything wrong with being scared shitless the first few times trying to get into a spot. The risk is always there, go with an open mind, and know what's at stake. No risk no reward right? If anything being challenged by your passions makes you a more well-rounded individual. Plus you'll get some cool photos and stories to share and remember. I think with all things surrounding your passions, it's how you act on them that reflect who you are - and everyone does it in their own way. If it takes you extra time to make sure a site is accessible and free of obstacles, take that extra time. If you're concerned about legal action, learn your local laws and your rights in case you do get caught so you can come out on top. It will have been worth it once you've gotten in and explored til you're happy. My 2 cents. Otherwise, the flip side is you end up stuck wondering if you could've/should've/would've done it. Which is worse? That's up to you.




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