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UER Forum > Rookie Forum > Dealing with security measures (Viewed 934 times)
mandolinJones 


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Dealing with security measures
< on 9/17/2021 9:05 AM >
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Yo! So there is a clearly abandoned large building in a pretty active part of the city I live in. I scouted it out a few months ago, and I noted a few things:

1. There were security cameras around the perimeter of the building, though I could not tell if they were actually active

2. Police were in the parking lot when I was scouting (It was a large parking lot, so I didn't see them when I pulled up)

3. I think I saw a potential entry point in a broken window, though I'm uncertain if it's been patched since then.

I'm relatively unexperienced, so I'm not certain if this is a spot that's too secure to mess with. Would it be a good idea to go during the day or night? (If I entered in the day it might increase my chances of getting spotted significantly.) What measures should I take against cameras, if any at all? Was seeing police on the scene when scouting a bad sign? Are there any internal security measures that I should be aware of? And if things go bad, is it better to hide or to just make urself known and go peacefully?

Addition: I also remember seeing lighting on within the building.



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chuck barkley 


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Re: Dealing with security measures
< Reply # 1 on 9/17/2021 12:18 PM >
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It’s hard to know for sure but it sounds like your building may not be so clearly abandoned after all… with the light on inside, cameras, and potential repairs to your POE. The cop could be a good sign or bad sign. He might be an indicator that it is indeed abandoned. But he might also make your life more difficult if he is there to keep an eye out. What was he doing? Which way was he facing? Did he seem to be watching traffic or was he more attentive to the building?

I would definitely start during the day with some more scouting adventures and take it a little further each time depending on what you see. Daytime also works to your advantage as you can get away with some excuses that just don’t work in the nighttime. Also, you can spot any potential red flags much easier in the daylight. If someone knows the place and you don’t, chances are they’ll see you long before you see them in the dark. Also daytime visits will give you an idea whether or not there’s any sort of regular activity schedule. Visit at different times of the day and try to spot your best window of opportunity.

As far as what to do when things go bad, it really depends on how it goes down. Everything happens so fast. But I would recommend not running unless you are absolutely sure you can get away. If you’re caught dead, just face it.




mandolinJones 


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Re: Dealing with security measures
< Reply # 2 on 9/17/2021 7:16 PM >
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It’s hard to know for sure but it sounds like your building may not be so clearly abandoned after all… with the light on inside, cameras, and potential repairs to your POE. The cop could be a good sign or bad sign. He might be an indicator that it is indeed abandoned. But he might also make your life more difficult if he is there to keep an eye out. What was he doing? Which way was he facing? Did he seem to be watching traffic or was he more attentive to the building?

From what I could tell, their presence seemed more like a response than a patrol. There were multiple cars and what I believe was an ambulance. I couldn’t definitely tell if they were responding to something across the street or not, but I’d say it’s a strong likelihood it wasn’t related to the building; as they were only on the outskirts of the parking lot.

As for the building, while it’s pretty clear electricity is still being pumped in there, almost all of the main windows are boarded up, and after doing some more research, it’s been fully closed for 2-3 years. While there is some talk of redeveloping the property, I couldn’t see any sign of it when scouting it out.




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Re: Dealing with security measures
< Reply # 3 on 9/18/2021 3:48 AM >
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Presence of cameras and power might mean there’s a chance that the building is alarmed.

Any audible beeping means it’s a silent one, or anything blinking in the corners of walls and such should be your sign to get out before someone else responds to it, especially if there’s only one way in and out.

Telling if a security camera is active is merely seeing if the wires are cut to it, if a light happens to be on on the interior of the camera, among other obvious visual features. And if none of those are reliant go by your gut since the building mentioned is powered after all.




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mandolinJones 


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Re: Dealing with security measures
< Reply # 4 on 9/19/2021 8:14 AM >
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Presence of cameras and power might mean there’s a chance that the building is alarmed.

Any audible beeping means it’s a silent one, or anything blinking in the corners of walls and such should be your sign to get out before someone else responds to it, especially if there’s only one way in and out.

Telling if a security camera is active is merely seeing if the wires are cut to it, if a light happens to be on on the interior of the camera, among other obvious visual features. And if none of those are reliant go by your gut since the building mentioned is powered after all.


I see. I'll probably go out scouting in the next few days. Is it chill if I post some photos here to see folks' thoughts on how secure it is?




roue_libre 


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Re: Dealing with security measures
< Reply # 5 on 9/20/2021 5:20 AM >
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I see. I'll probably go out scouting in the next few days. Is it chill if I post some photos here to see folks' thoughts on how secure it is?


Post whatever photos you like, as long as they don't show any points of entry (POE): no pictures of a hole in the brickwork here, a missing plywood there, a ladder to an open window, etc. with a caption that says: "dO yOu ThiNK i can eNter thr0o heRe?? I'm suCh a n0Ob!". You get the... picture ;)

In that same vein, don't drop place names ("That ACME factory, do0d!!") or give away locations. You got some really sound advice from "chuck barkley" : I would follow it. Start with low-stakes explores in the daytime, then work your way up.

Once you start believing you have a right to explore places (especially if you don't, in fact, have such a right), you'll attract less scrutiny and will be less likely to get caught - or to land yourself in serious trouble, if you do get caught.

Welcome to UER. Good luck!




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mandolinJones 


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Re: Dealing with security measures
< Reply # 6 on 9/21/2021 2:22 AM >
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Once you start believing you have a right to explore places (especially if you don't, in fact, have such a right), you'll attract less scrutiny and will be less likely to get caught - or to land yourself in serious trouble, if you do get caught.

Welcome to UER. Good luck!


Gotcha! Thank you for that advice and welcome!

I was able to visit the place again, tho I wasn't able to get any good photos, initially because I forgot my camera battery, and it was too dark to get anything worth looking at when I came back a second time that day. (I'll make sure to be more prepared on my next round)

So some of my initial takes were a bit off. There aren't as many security cameras as I remember. As far as I could tell there were only three on one corner of the building, but nowhere else. There may have been some better-hidden cameras, but if there were I was not able to see them.
Electricity is still being run to some interior lights, same as last time I checked, and some of the broken windows that I saw previously have been boarded up since my last visit a few months ago.

Also when walking around the perimeter of the building I noticed some cars that:
1. Were (badly) but clearly intentionally hidden
2. Had occupants inside
So, I'm curious if there's a possibility that they're a covert security presence to keep a watch on the place. To be fair this place is in the center of a really dense urban area, so they may be there for any number of non-surveillance reasons. I only saw two cars that gave me that sketchy vibe. Is there any precedent for something like this, or am I just being paranoid? lol.

At this point, I'm fairly confident I can get in with ease and little to no destruction. My main concern currently is whether I'd get caught doing so.



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Re: Dealing with security measures
< Reply # 7 on 9/21/2021 2:08 PM >
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To me, sketchy cars near a sketchy building sounds more like people getting high, and less like undercover security. How far are you from the building? Is it close enough you can buzz by two or three times in a week just to check for activity?

In my area security cars are usually heavily branded as such. There is one company without decals, but the fleet is all some kind of white Ford sedan (so when there's more than one, you know right away)

You sound pretty confident on getting in. Have you considered going early? I've gotten in places before sunrise, then just waited for the sun to come up.

I dunno man, I'd just suggest doing more recon until you feel comfortable. Plan it all out. Generally, once you're in, you're in. If it is a security detail posted-up in cars, you can still be at the advantage, because you're aware of them before they're aware of you. Adjust accordingly. Also, don't skimp out on your exit plan either.




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Re: Dealing with security measures
< Reply # 8 on 10/11/2021 7:05 PM >
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Posted by chuck barkley

As far as what to do when things go bad, it really depends on how it goes down. Everything happens so fast. But I would recommend not running unless you are absolutely sure you can get away. If you’re caught dead, just face it.


This this this! Unless you've run from the cops successfully before, just don't.

Chances are you can get away with a easy charade.. tourist , adventurer, stupid kid, crazed history buff... Just don't carry anything illegal on you, nothing that suggests illegal activity. AKA, spray paint, lock picks, chain cutters, scrapping tools etc. YOU WILL LOOK SUSPICIOUS.!

If you're truly only interested in seeing the place, 'taking only photos leaving only footprints,' you will get away with a relatively lighter charge compared to if you intended to scrap or destroy.

Cops hate arsonists more than they hate photographers.




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< Reply # 9 on 10/19/2021 6:25 PM >
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I keep checking back hoping for updates. I wanna see this spot!




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