i've held off on commenting on this, but one thing that has rubbed me the wrong way about how the OceanGate mission was run was that there were no contingencies in place should things go sideways... there was no way to recover the submersible should any number of things go wrong. When doing something as nutty and dangerous as diving into 13,000 feet of ocean, there should be a variety of ways to get you back to surface should the machine become fussy.

i do think the whole controller thing is a distraction... there is nothing wrong with using a game controller to maneuver your submersible about... it's a pretty simple solution to an engineering problem, actually. There is a very nasty part of me that feels that in some way, they got their just desserts acting tourist to what is more or less a mass graveyard at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Let me explain... the Titanic sinking was a terrible comedy of arrogance in 1912. The boat was too big, turned to slow and was mistakenly thought to be unsinkable. It was traveling too fast that night it went down and could not turn out of the way of the iceberg. None of the much-touted engineering solutions worked, especially when the boat began to twist because of inrushing water. On top of that, there were too few lifeboats, some of them of a difficult if not impossible variety to deploy while the boat was sinking. And then there was the uncomfortable truth of the people that were locked in below decks that never had a chance to get out. The resting place of the Titanic is not, I feel, a place that should be a tourist attraction.

Maybe I am wrong... i don't know.

anyways...

It's also worth noting that these are the first deaths ever to take place during a deep water submergence mission/trip, anywhere in the world. The technology and the community when up to the job has a remarkable safety record for what is on paper one of the most dangerous environments you can ever find yourself in.

Posted by RescueMe1060 The Logitech controller topic is a distraction talking piece from the media and redditors. That controller has nothing to do with the hull being compromised and imploding. I'm not defending Logitech but I will tell you that I use that same exact controller in guiding a robot with a camera attached to it to do under ground inspections... the technology actually works very well and is user friendly which is what Stockton was hoping for with his "mission specialists" experiences anyways....

Yes, precisely this. Many small robotic vehicles, ROVs, and pieces of military hardware are controlled using what are essentially either completely standard off the shelf or modified game console controllers, because they are easy to use, ergonomic, and simple.

Posted by RescueMe1060 A thought/idea just came to me while brushing my teeth Could any of the employees who were monitoring from the Mothership be held criminally liable in court for acting complicit in the dive? Assuming some of the employees from OceanGate were in on the same knowledge that Stockton had regarding the lack of safety, wouldn't they be liable in the deaths of their clients?

Oceangate liability despite their waiver of liability? Possibly.

Individual employee liability? That might depend on what contributed to the gross negligence, and how much that is due to decisions made by Stockton Rush.

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Posted by Samurai i've held off on commenting on this, but one thing that has rubbed me the wrong way about how the OceanGate mission was run was that there were no contingencies in place should things go sideways... there was no way to recover the submersible should any number of things go wrong. When doing something as nutty and dangerous as diving into 13,000 feet of ocean, there should be a variety of ways to get you back to surface should the machine become fussy. i do think the whole controller thing is a distraction... there is nothing wrong with using a game controller to maneuver your submersible about... it's a pretty simple solution to an engineering problem, actually. There is a very nasty part of me that feels that in some way, they got their just desserts acting tourist to what is more or less a mass graveyard at the bottom of the Atlantic. Let me explain... the Titanic sinking was a terrible comedy of arrogance in 1912. The boat was too big, turned to slow and was mistakenly thought to be unsinkable. It was traveling too fast that night it went down and could not turn out of the way of the iceberg. None of the much-touted engineering solutions worked, especially when the boat began to twist because of inrushing water. On top of that, there were too few lifeboats, some of them of a difficult if not impossible variety to deploy while the boat was sinking. And then there was the uncomfortable truth of the people that were locked in below decks that never had a chance to get out. The resting place of the Titanic is not, I feel, a place that should be a tourist attraction. Maybe I am wrong... i don't know. anyways...

well said, and have to say this is a very encouraging post..also this


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I suppose what’s next is for the video footage to be released from the rover that found the debris field.

Definitely an avoidable disaster, but something about people making a ton of jokes about an extremely gruesome and horrific set of deaths just doesn't sit right with me. Thoughts and prayers to the families.

pieces of the submersible have been recovered as of today

Posted by megabaraqiel Definitely an avoidable disaster, but something about people making a ton of jokes about an extremely gruesome and horrific set of deaths just doesn't sit right with me. Thoughts and prayers to the families.

el oh el... more and more is coming out about how reckless and ridiculous the guy was building that submersible. The only person i have any sympathy for is that 19 year old kid that didn't want to get in the fucking thing to begin with.

Posted by dtewsacrificial ...and a debris field a distance from the bow of the Titanic...

When they first reported finding the debris field, I imagined a follow-up message:

"Guys, you're not gonna believe me, but there's a huge shipwreck down here, just like in that James Cameron movie!"

I was thinking there's even more incentive to go on these submarine trips down there, because now you get to visit two wrecks for the price of one. Sort of disappointed they retrieved it.

Posted by RescueMe1060 pieces of the submersible have been recovered as of today

Human remains as well

Using a game controller to manoeuvre an underwater vehicle, as you have noted, is not inherently problematic. It can be a practical and effective solution if it meets the necessary engineering and operational standards. The key is that all aspects of the mission, including equipment and procedures, are carefully analysed and tested for safety and reliability. Sometimes I want to get away from everything and play on Bedwetter BD but I'm looking for company, maybe someone will join me? Regarding your opinion of the Titanic and its burial site, opinions vary widely on whether it should be treated as a tourist attraction. Some believe that the Titanic wreck site should be treated with reverence and respect as a memorial to the dead, while others argue that responsible and educational research can help us learn more about historical events and advances in marine technology.

Posted by wijim Using a game controller for maneuvering a submersible isn't inherently problematic, as you mentioned. It can be a practical and effective solution, as long as it meets the required engineering and operational standards. The key is to ensure that all aspects of the mission, including equipment and procedures, are thoroughly evaluated and tested for safety and reliability. Regarding your thoughts on the Titanic and its resting place, opinions on whether it should be treated as a tourist attraction vary widely. Some people believe that the Titanic wreck site should be treated with reverence and respect as a memorial to the lives lost, while others argue that responsible and educational exploration can help us learn more about historical events and advancements in maritime technology.

You forgot to say "As an AI language model..."