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Star trek weapons to unrelaistic
< on 11/1/2004 8:59 PM >
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Ever notice every weapon they made was eather hard to handle, or the trigger was so exsposed they would shoot themselves.

The litthe hand phasers from TNG had the up down power buttons above the trigger. Oppps didnt mean to hit the trigger button and vaporize him, Id wanted stun.

The phaser rifles are freaking odd as well.

The alien weapons hand grips are nuts as well.




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< Reply # 1 on 11/2/2004 12:06 AM >
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But hey, they look all high-tech and blinky!




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< Reply # 2 on 11/2/2004 1:45 AM >
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we love high tech and blinky... just watch out for that button, no! THAT button.. aw shit! Just vaporized another red shirt...

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< Reply # 3 on 11/2/2004 3:45 AM >
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TNG's guns looked like universal remotes.




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< Reply # 4 on 11/5/2004 3:06 AM >
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And lets not forget the ships weapons. Photon Torpedos had a Matter/Anti-matter warhead, did they not? Considering that 1 kilo of each meeting would have the explosive force of several (I THINK that the number is 17) Hiroshima-sized nukes, I think that the explosions would be a bit more....impressive.




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Considering that 1 kilo of each meeting would have the explosive force of several (I THINK that the number is 17) Hiroshima-sized nukes, I think that the explosions would be a bit more....impressive.


Heh. Sounds a *bit* small...

e=mc^2
m = 2 kg
c = 3 x 10^8


So 1kg of Antimatter reacted with Matter would yield 1.8 x 10^17 Joules.
For reference, 1 megaton is 4.2 x 10^15 Joules.
So the reaction releases 43 MegaTons.

"Little Boy", the Hiroshima bomb, was rated as 12.5 KiloTons (and was VERY inefficient so was the yield was actually much lower, but let us ignore that).

So 43,000KT/12.5KT = 3440 "Little Boys", which is quite larger than 17 .

However, back to the world of nuclear (and thermo-, since we are in the present), the Soviets have already detonated a weapon much more powerful, an aircraft-deliverable 57 MegaTon thermonuclear device (Novaya Zemlya; October 30, 1961) which was actually a scaled-down version of a 100MegaTon device.

This weapon was the largest (known) nuclear test ever, yielding (57,000KT - 43,000KT)/12.5KT = 1120 "Hiroshima-sized" nukes difference to an anti-/matter reaction of 1Kg. Although, to make up for this difference, you could add another 3440/1120 = 3.0 so .3Kg 300grams of antimatter to make up for the 14MegaTon difference.

Since most weapons would be expected to have at least 30Kg of fuel in a small warhead, the following comparison shows the real potential.

Ok, solving for yield using Plutonium on a 100% efficiency design only fission;
Molar Mass Pu = 239g ; Mass we have is 30kg
And using 3.2 x 10^(-11) ans energy per fission
And with the energy from 1KT being 4.20 x 10^12 joules

30,000g/239g = 125.52Mol
moles x (atoms per mole) = Number of fissions at 100% efficiency
125.52 x (6.02 x 10^23) = 7.56 x 10^25 atoms to fiss
fission x energy per fission = Energy
(7.56x10^25)(3.2 x 10^(-11)) = 2.42 x 10^15 joules
Energy we have/Energy in a KT = Amount in KT
(2.42x10^15)/(4.20x10^12) = 5.76x10^2
or 576KiloTons in a pure fission weapon with 100% efficiency using 30Kg fuel.

Whereas in 30Kg of Antimatter and Matter;
Energy in 2Kg (from above) converted to 30kg and then divided into MegaTons.
(1.8x10^17x(15))/(4.2 x 10^15) = 6.43 x 10^2
or 643 MegaTons in an anti-/matter weapon with 100% efficiency (much more likely then the Pu weapon) using 30Kg fuel.





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You have WAY too much time on your hands, dude. Not to mention being a bit over my head.

However, I am right in that photon torpedo explotions should be a bit bigger and flashier then the standard orange explosions shown, for example, when fighting a Borg Cube.




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< Reply # 7 on 11/7/2004 6:23 PM >
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I originally replied to this in a PM but I figure I'll put it here, too.

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However, I am right in that photon torpedo explotions should be a bit bigger and flashier then the standard orange explosions shown, for example, when fighting a Borg Cube.

Yes, they [normal yield antimatter explosions] would be tremendous explosions that would cause amazing damage for miles and would also EMP a *very* large area.

Also, due to the lack of oxygen in space, they would not be big red firey explosions because the only source of oxygen would be inside the ship that it had just blown a new shuttlebay into, and *that* oxygen would be heavily pressurized and would create a very-quickly-depleted jet similar to a blowtorch on each explosion (after the "blowtorch" effect, it could then flow out and create interesting fluid effects)...

So I would instead imagine a huge white ball that, in a fraction of a second, spits out a small burst of red flare from it's epicentre while expanding; beyond that fraction of a second, it wouldn't be as simple to guess what would happen (space itself, metals the target is made of, the atmosphere inside it, etc... would all be factors)...




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< Reply # 8 on 11/10/2004 7:35 AM >
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Heh. Sounds a *bit* small...

e=mc^2
m = 2 kg
c = 3 x 10^8


So 1kg of Antimatter reacted with Matter would yield 1.8 x 10^17 Joules.
For reference, 1 megaton is 4.2 x 10^15 Joules.
So the reaction releases 43 MegaTons.

"Little Boy", the Hiroshima bomb, was rated as 12.5 KiloTons (and was VERY inefficient so was the yield was actually much lower, but let us ignore that).

So 43,000KT/12.5KT = 3440 "Little Boys", which is quite larger than 17 .

However, back to the world of nuclear (and thermo-, since we are in the present), the Soviets have already detonated a weapon much more powerful, an aircraft-deliverable 57 MegaTon thermonuclear device (Novaya Zemlya; October 30, 1961) which was actually a scaled-down version of a 100MegaTon device.

This weapon was the largest (known) nuclear test ever, yielding (57,000KT - 43,000KT)/12.5KT = 1120 "Hiroshima-sized" nukes difference to an anti-/matter reaction of 1Kg. Although, to make up for this difference, you could add another 3440/1120 = 3.0 so .3Kg 300grams of antimatter to make up for the 14MegaTon difference.

Since most weapons would be expected to have at least 30Kg of fuel in a small warhead, the following comparison shows the real potential.

Ok, solving for yield using Plutonium on a 100% efficiency design only fission;
Molar Mass Pu = 239g ; Mass we have is 30kg
And using 3.2 x 10^(-11) ans energy per fission
And with the energy from 1KT being 4.20 x 10^12 joules

30,000g/239g = 125.52Mol
moles x (atoms per mole) = Number of fissions at 100% efficiency
125.52 x (6.02 x 10^23) = 7.56 x 10^25 atoms to fiss
fission x energy per fission = Energy
(7.56x10^25)(3.2 x 10^(-11)) = 2.42 x 10^15 joules
Energy we have/Energy in a KT = Amount in KT
(2.42x10^15)/(4.20x10^12) = 5.76x10^2
or 576KiloTons in a pure fission weapon with 100% efficiency using 30Kg fuel.

Whereas in 30Kg of Antimatter and Matter;
Energy in 2Kg (from above) converted to 30kg and then divided into MegaTons.
(1.8x10^17x(15))/(4.2 x 10^15) = 6.43 x 10^2
or 643 MegaTons in an anti-/matter weapon with 100% efficiency (much more likely then the Pu weapon) using 30Kg fuel.





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I always liked the flashlights that the away teams carried though.

Which ones? The palm type where the hand was in the shape of a "C"? Or the type that they strapped onto the forearm?




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You have WAY too much time on your hands, dude. Not to mention being a bit over my head.

However, I am right in that photon torpedo explotions should be a bit bigger and flashier then the standard orange explosions shown, for example, when fighting a Borg Cube.


WORST photon torpedo hit had to be in Star Trek III- when the Enterprise gets hit... what's with the plasma/electricity?

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Which ones? The palm type where the hand was in the shape of a "C"? Or the type that they strapped onto the forearm?


The palm type.




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Wasn't the wrist style a voyager thing? I know it wasn't in TOS.




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