Okay, I'll get the ball rolling.

What do you guys really think happened to JFK, and who was the second shooter?

-Ex

ME! I was the second shooter!



No, really I think there was another person. There was someone on the grassy knoll with a rifle, grab some pictures and we'll see.

I think that it had something to do with his wanting to pull out of Vietnam. There were some key war contractors in the CIA, which probably had something to do with it.

Funny this topic should come up. I've been playing JFK reloaded quite a bit lately and it's convinced me that Oswald definitely could have operated by himself. Oswald wouldn't have needed any help those shots IMO. I'll write more later, I need to goto bed.

-pawolf

I saw a TV special that claimed the second shooter was in a storm drain, I've never really speculated on it though, and I don't even know the whole "official" story.

Heh. Growing up in Dallas I've heard it all.

On any given weekend there's five zillion tourists standing around pointing up at the Book Depository and the Grassy Knoll. I've always wanted to get some empty rifle casings and let 'em get nice and coroded and then go toss them around the knoll on the night of November 21. That way on the anniversary, some lucky people will have a nice find.

I don't think the truth will ever come out. And there's so much weird shit associated with the assassination that none of it makes sense. Like why did all those witnesses turn up dead? Either from suspicious suicides or one car accidents in the middle of nowhere? What the fuck was up with all those photos of Oswald that were obviously doctored? Why did he aledgely use a .38 revolver to shoot the cop, but two bullet casings were found at the crime scene? Not to mention tampering ofthe crime scene on the 6th floor, the government purposely reversing the order of the film frames from the Zapruder film, suppression of another film taken opposite from the Zapruder film, etc., etc.

Anyways, who was that guy on the Knoll? Probably a hired hitman provided by the mob. Just my guess.

On a side note...guess what the Secret Service agents were using for weapons that day? A prototype of the M-16.

Posted by thirstysandwich On a side note...guess what the Secret Service agents were using for weapons that day? A prototype of the M-16.

So, you say they were using the Stoner carbine??? Interesting...

I think it was the mafia. They got him in the White House, and then RFK goes and starts stirring shit up? What better way to say "don't fuck with us" than killing the POTUS, and RFK's brother.

(Jesus Christ, Noah. I just saw your avatar. *shakes head*)

Hasn't anybody ever gone back to the site and re-enacted everything, play by play? It seems silly that theories have not been tested... I would love to do that, go back and .. oh man, that would be awesome.

Anyway, everyone knows that it was a MAGIC bullet. That's right, magic. Went thru one way, turned around mid-air, and went thru the other direction. Then magically appeared next to him in the ambulance or whatever.

Duh. Magic.

Emma

Posted by Emma Peel (Jesus Christ, Noah. I just saw your avatar. *shakes head*) Hasn't anybody ever gone back to the site and re-enacted everything, play by play? It seems silly that theories have not been tested... I would love to do that, go back and .. oh man, that would be awesome.

Yeah, the FBI. And well, they aren't very biased are they?

Posted by thirstysandwich Yeah, the FBI. And well, they aren't very biased are they?

Nobody independant? I'll do it. Who wants to be JFK??

Posted by Emma Peel Nobody independant? I'll do it. Who wants to be JFK??

I will as long as you don't use a real gun Paintball maybe?

Posted by Frost Paintball maybe

Okay, but I get to use a magic paintball gun!

Check out JFK ReLoaded. Great game.

Posted by PAWolf Funny this topic should come up. I've been playing JFK reloaded quite a bit lately and it's convinced me that Oswald definitely could have operated by himself. Oswald wouldn't have needed any help those shots IMO. I'll write more later, I need to goto bed. -pawolf

The angle from the school book depository is all wrong. If you will take a look at the home movie showing the actual impact of the bullet, President Kennedy's head snaps back, and the back of the head explodes, with the flesh, bone, blood, and brain matter flying backwards, spraying the back of the limo. The ballistics evidence supports this also. This tells me that a high velocity, possibly small caliber bullet was used, (possibly a 5.56mm NATO), with the killing shot coming from the front of the motorcade.

The 6.5mm Carcano is not a high velocity round, and the rounds Oswald was using were full metal jacket. This means that the rounds fired at Kennedy would pass through, making a neat hole going in and out. The destruction seen in autopsy photos could have only been caused by a high velocity round, hollow point possibly. If you could only see the wounds a 5.56mm NATO round causes upon impact would convince you of the same. Take a look at the home movie that shows the impact of the fatal round.

Edit: I have a copy of the Zapruder film (i hope i spelled the name right).

Posted by greywolf45 The angle from the school book depository is all wrong. If you will take a look at the home movie showing the actual impact of the bullet, President Kennedy's head snaps back, and the back of the head explodes, with the flesh, bone, blood, and brain matter flying backwards, spraying the back of the limo. The ballistics evidence supports this also. This tells me that a high velocity, possibly small caliber bullet was used, (possibly a 5.56mm NATO), with the killing shot coming from the front of the motorcade. The 6.5mm Carcano is not a high velocity round, and the rounds Oswald was using were full metal jacket. This means that the rounds fired at Kennedy would pass through, making a neat hole going in and out. The destruction seen in autopsy photos could have only been caused by a high velocity round, hollow point possibly. If you could only see the wounds a 5.56mm NATO round causes upon impact would convince you of the same. Take a look at the home movie that shows the impact of the fatal round. Edit: I have a copy of the Zapruder film (i hope i spelled the name right).

I would offer this in rebuttal, the 6.5x52mm Carcano is a high velocity round depending on the load 2400 - 2600 fps, the 5.56x45 round is about 2800. Not significantly different (the 6.5 actually delivers more energy as the bullet weighs about 3 times as much).

After watching the Zapruder film for the last 40 years in slo-mo forwards backwards close up and digitally enhanced I have changed my opinion, I once believed there was a frontal shot too but all the evidence in that film is consistent and could be caused by a rear shot. (stuff blows out both sides) (large flap of scalp flops up in front the backward jerk is caused by upper body nervous system reaction to the shock) Remember when he was hit that time he was till very much alive. 2400 fps will create enough hydro-static shock to produce these effects.

The single bullet theory where Governor Conally was hit in the wrist by one round that exited JFK's throat was demonstrated on several occasions one using lasers and its been running on the Discovery channel for years. So whats all the debate. People say one man with a rifle couldnt fire 3 shots with that accuracy. Thats bullshit too. It was under 100 yards, moving slow and and away, come on, the accuracy required was not that great, any of those shots couldve missed just as well as hit, there is such thing as a lucky shot too.

Well down here in redneck country as you call it we consider accuracy to be one round per running jack rabbit at 100yds as pretty good whereas some folks may think thats impossible or a some kind of miracle. You wouldnt know this unless you are yourself a shooter or hunter. Many average marksman could and have demonstrated this was no super human feat of skill.

The real mystery isnt how but who and why. I buy the lone gunman theory now as much as I wanted to believe it was Cuban hit teams in the storm drains with silencers etc, and I buy the magic bullet explanation too. Im still not convinced Oswald acted alone but I suppose he could have. As another post says too much wierd shit was associated with the witnesses and evidence. True but even some of that can be explained. The .38 ACP casings found by officer Tippet when Oswald was carrying a .38spl revolver when arrested? Maybe he carried two handguns and ditched one. Maybe a cop tossed em there. Maybe the one that said he found them. The bullet laying on the gurney at Parkland hospital, couldve been a plant but I saw a .30 cal slug fall out of a deer when it was loaded in the bed of a truck. When you look at all the witnesses (even some as late as the 1990s) that came forward then disappeared or assumed room temperature under strange circumstances its almost too much to ask anyone to believe. I think LBJ and his cronies were in it up to their collective asses, if one disgruntled little Cuban sympathizer did it why all the cover up man? uh, wait a minute I think I hear someone at the door.....

Having read more than enough books on this topic, including the massive Warren Commission Report, all I can say is that the official line makes the most sense. What is easier, that a single guy was wacko and shot the president, or that there was some sort of conspiracy involving tons of people that has remained secret for more than 30 years?

The simplest theory is usually the most correct.

One viewing of oliver Stone's JFK ought to cast more than enough reasonable doubt on the credibility of the Warren Commission Report. The fact that crucial documents remain sealed or became "lost" is worrying.

Posted by fedge One viewing of oliver Stone's JFK ought to cast more than enough reasonable doubt on the credibility of the Warren Commission Report. The fact that crucial documents remain sealed or became "lost" is worrying.

Get into it, read 20 books about it, read the official reports, then decide. One movie cannot an opinion form ;) While the official story is not 100% kosher, the simple facts of one crazy guy acting alone makes so much more sense that anything else I have heard.

Flip side of that is Martin Luther King - that sure doesn't seem like a single crazy guy and the "conspiracy" wouldn't have to be big, possible to do. Maybe not what a lot of nutbars claim, but to have more people involved would certainly work.

I doubt we'll ever find out the truth. Not in our lifetimes, anyways.