Thats gotta be the holy grail mentioned on the main board. I hope Im not out of line by starting it here. Ok first Im not a Trek-ey or sci-fi nut, never saw a flying saucer, but I would really like to. Groom lake? surely there is an explanation for all the secrecy that doesnt involve aliens or alien technology. Not saying they dont exist but some of the stories out of there could otherwise be explained. Pulse engines and stealth technology sure I'll buy that. You also got your mysterious illness and deaths. You got this attorney pressing the feds for info to pursue his clients lawsuit. He is not really interested in alien technology I think he wants to know about the solvents and resins and burning of chemical wastes that ate up some of those poor bastards.

Until they expanded the perimeter I think with a little stealth, a lot patience, a ghillie suit and a long lens a guy could have made a go of it. Now its kinda doubtful. If you were caught it would be hell to pay for sure, they might even cap your ass since they have authorized the guards to do that. What about the people that work there they must be screened, evaluated, screened again and watched like hawks. I guess. How long can the secrets be kept? How much money could a guy that worked there make if he wrote a book, (or lived long enough to write a book)!

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It's the desert, you'd have to have a ghillie suit with rocks and tumbleweeds on it

Also, they have hundreds of buried vibration sensors along the perimeter, which can detect a human walking. Someone dug a couple up and made a website about it, I forget the address and I'm too lazy to google it.

My ex-GF had a book on how to do extreme shit like riding dam tailraces and surfing tsunamis, it included a section on how to infiltrate Area 51. Basically the idea was to fly in at night in a small ultralight or glider, after testing the radar and air defenses with R/C planes. After ditching the glider on a rooftop or near the buildings, you'd then have to disable any alarms and find an air vent or something to sneak in.

I'd like to try getting aerial photos with an autonomous glider, I think an R/C would get jammed. However, I know for a fact that there are automatic AA guns capable of tracking and shooting down birds, so I don't think anything flying a straight course would survive over A51. (I was on a tour of some support ship with Phalanx cannons (http://www.fas.org...ip/weaps/mk-15.htm) and they locked onto a seagull for us. Fuckers didn't shoot it down though, just let the gun follow it around)

yeah I think this ones off the list for now but Ive seen guys (ranch security in CentAm) work along a fence to get in place to see who was coming. took one guy 4 hours to go just a couple hundred yards! roger on seismic sensors too Ive seen shows on TV that emphasize that and the remote long range cameras, but what about this satellite map company that sells detailed imagery to farmers and mining companies, Ive heard they have the pics and fly over every day but have had their arms twisted to keep those out of circulation.

ok I can dream I guess I dont have the patience to belly crawl for 4 hours in a burlap suit covered with rocks and cacti but those little remote aircraft are getting smaller and smaller its going to be cool when somebody gets some pics out of there flying saucers or no

hmmm sounds like a thing to do if you know your going to die anyway, get all kinds of news teams and shit, then fly in that mother fucker with an ultra lite and see what happens.

Posted by 2Xtreme Thats gotta be the holy grail mentioned on the main board. I hope Im not out of line by starting it here. Ok first Im not a Trek-ey or sci-fi nut, never saw a flying saucer, but I would really like to. Groom lake? surely there is an explanation for all the secrecy that doesnt involve aliens or alien technology. Not saying they dont exist but some of the stories out of there could otherwise be explained. Pulse engines and stealth technology sure I'll buy that. You also got your mysterious illness and deaths. You got this attorney pressing the feds for info to pursue his clients lawsuit. He is not really interested in alien technology I think he wants to know about the solvents and resins and burning of chemical wastes that ate up some of those poor bastards. Until they expanded the perimeter I think with a little stealth, a lot patience, a ghillie suit and a long lens a guy could have made a go of it. Now its kinda doubtful. If you were caught it would be hell to pay for sure, they might even cap your ass since they have authorized the guards to do that. What about the people that work there they must be screened, evaluated, screened again and watched like hawks. I guess. How long can the secrets be kept? How much money could a guy that worked there make if he wrote a book, (or lived long enough to write a book)! click to view

It's R&D mostly.

I dont know about them keeping other satilite photos out but i know they cant stop google. http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.157135,-115.806370&spn=0.082569,.113811&t=k&hl=en


Ya it would be quite the feat to get in to area 51. I doubt any one could make it over the fence. In the air youll be detected no matter what and i hear every one that aproaches on foot sooner or later sees some goverment trucks on a hill before they ever get there so they have to have a large number of sensors outside there perimeter. Unless solid snake happens to be real i dot think it is possible.




the base is located a litttle north of the picture i linked to.

I'm wondering about the capability of a passive type technology to get some interesting pictures. I was wondering about the possibility of sending a weather baloon over attached with a timed camera or something. Now I know full well that they very well might shoot it down, but it would be an interesting experiment. Maybe try sending just a weather baloon over with nothing on it just to see what happens?

Probably the easiest and most legal method would be to just buy a place near the base and watch the skies. Rachel, NV residents have pics up on the internet of F/A-22's and B-2's flying around Groom, and many have stories of other interesting craft overhead. I guess using a high-res webcam/video cam focused on the usual flight path for landing at Groom would be the most efficient method of recording what goes overhead.

I think you could usually tell when something is up at Groom, as transports would be coming more frequently. The military could use the road (as the CIA did to move the A-12 prototype to Groom), but more than likely, they'd use C-17's and C-5's to move stuff in. You wouldn't know what's up, but would know that something's up. I have seen some testing programs for jet engines, and the parts and engines were never that big that they couldn't be put on to a Boeing 737-200 (such as the daily "Janet" flights into Groom for employees), so that might not work so well.

Also, aviation magazines will publish articles occasionally about stuff Skunkworks has built and will admit to testing at Groom. Last I heard, they had stealth drones that resembled 1/3 size F-117's and they were being launched off of old C-130s.

I did read somewhere that the northern part of Nellis AFB (part of Groom Lake) is opened for civil recreational aircraft on Sundays. Some guys tried it in a Cessna, and were refused entry to the airspace near the base, but I think they got some pics of the area.

I think area 51 is a testament to how smart some of the higher-ups in the military are (or at least were, at one point in time).

Area 51: Cheney's private golf course.

Posted by KublaKhan Area 51: Cheney's private golf course.

no way they whole things a sand trap.

Posted by Ranar no way they whole things a sand trap.

He plays a different kind of game.

You could strap a Wireless camera to a R/C Hovercraft...

That'd get you past the vibration detectors.

Posted by PsYcHo-560 You could strap a Wireless camera to a R/C Hovercraft... That'd get you past the vibration detectors.

Would need good ground clearance for terrain like that. And I would think they might have spot jamming in an area like this to break up control frequencies. Not so much for ACVs, but big R/C planes have likely been tried before.

You could staple a wireless mini-cam to a ground squirrel and let-er-rip over the whole fucking place.

Posted by KublaKhan You could staple a wireless mini-cam to a ground squirrel and let-er-rip over the whole fucking place.

Greenpeace would be so far up your ass for that....

Posted by underdark Greenpeace would be so far up your ass for that....

Fuck them...we're talking about alien space craft.

one thing: C.R.A.P.S.A.M.

just remember it, you will hear about it when im dead. hahaha

Posted by mfd52 one thing: C.R.A.P.S.A.M. just remember it, you will hear about it when im dead. hahaha

Can we expedite the answer?

nope