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This group wants money so they can distribute bibles to iraqis. Distributing bibles in a country where 95% of the population is muslim is rather offensive. Imagine if I walked into Oral Roberts university or the Vatican and started disributing the Koran or spreading the desire to convert Christians to Judaism. I think those Christians would be offended and angry to say the least. Why can't these fundamentalists leave these people alone? Did Jesus not say to respect all people? Live and let live.

Posted by apprentice Did Jesus not say to respect all people? Live and let live.

He also said to spread the Word to all people and to show them how to live as He did. That would be why they're distributing Bibles.

Just out of curiosity, wouldn't you get shot if you had a bible, Especially in Iraq?

Posted by katwoman He also said to spread the Word to all people and to show them how to live as He did. That would be why they're distributing Bibles.

Okay. By your logic, I'll show up at your church next Sunday, hand out the koran and spend the next 6 months incessantly hounding everyone in your congregation to believe that Mohammed, not Christ, is the true prophet and saviour. I won't respect your beliefs and constantly drill into you that what you have been raised to believe is wrong. I'll tell you that MY holy book is the path to righteousness and that your is unworthy of praise. Sound arrogant and ignorant??? Damned right it is. Just like trying to convert Muslims.

It's simple. Leave them alone to believe what they wish. They think that Islam is correct, not the bible. You aren't going to change any minds. It's another example of the arrogant attitudes of the Evangelical Christian right, who can't see beyond the end of their noses on a good day, stiring up S**t when they should but out (we're right, your wrong, burn in hell heathens). I've got a great idea. Why not use these donations to give them something useful that might keep them alive and allow for the possibility of survival such as clean water and adequate food. I don't think that the bible meets any of the 5 food groups.

By the way, since you've never met Christ, how do you know he would rather have the word spread as opposed to having these poor people fed?

I'm not Muslim; I believe that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all an excellent example of hypocrisy and mythology (not to mention a great example of things said centuries ago being historically incorrect and recorded decades after they happen...think the childs game of telephone. By the time it gets to the end, the spoken word resembles nothing of its original intent and context).

Posted by apprentice Okay. By your logic, I'll show up at your church next Sunday, hand out the koran and spend the next 6 months incessantly hounding everyone in your congregation to believe that Mohammed, not Christ, is the true prophet and saviour. I won't respect your beliefs and constantly drill into you that what you have been raised to believe is wrong.

That is only "my logic" if I would have said that Jesus wants his followers to show up to other religous groups, hand out the Bible and spend the next 6 months incessantly hounding everyone in their congregation to believe that Christ is saviour, disrepecting their beliefs and constantly drilling into them that what they have been raised to believe is wrong. I didn't say that.

Posted by apprentice By the way, since you've never met Christ, how do you know he would rather have the word spread as opposed to having these poor people fed?

Huh. Did I say that, too? I'm not sure where you got this idea, but there are stories in the Bible where God directly gave or indirectly provided food for people. The fact that you do not believe in the Bible is irrelevant. The point here is that no, I don't think Christ would necessarily spread the word over feeding poor people.

Activist/outreach/philanthropy groups often concentrate on only one specific area of need due to finances or other limitations. Actually, if you look around the site a bit more, http://give2.ccci....ex.php?project=976 , you will see a project in Sudan where Campus Crusade for Christ feeds poor people, and I quote from the same site you linked in your post: "The logistics of purchasing and delivering food and aid in this area of the world is complex and challenging. But all things considered, it only takes $71 to feed a family of seven for a week with highly nutritious food packages containing sorghum flour, rice, chic peas and lentils. That is only $1.45 per day, per person. Will you please help returning families to sustain and rebuild their lives?"
Looks to me like they do care about having the poor people fed.

So why give Muslims bibles? Oh yes, they don't believe what CCC wants them too. Help them with food. Whether they pray to Allah or not is irrelevent. CCC is attempting to convert them, not feed them. I did see the part about Sudan, which I find quite Noble. Hence the reason I am referring to the Bibles for Iraq post, not the Sudan.

I have experience with CCC on my campus. They were banned as a registered organization due to aggressive and unethical recruitment attempts after multiple cult like indoctrination and harassment complaints were filed.

Posted by apprentice I have experience with CCC on my campus. They were banned as a registered organization due to aggressive and unethical recruitment attempts after multiple cult like indoctrination and harassment complaints were filed.

It is unfortunate that you had that experience with CCC. Perhaps it was just that chapter? I was apart of Intervarsity Christian Fellowship (different from CCC with different goals...) but I worked directly with CCC on my campus on several occasions and at least that chapter was a great group people

I think it's a bad idea.

Just like a recent idea that was suggested over here (Scotland/UK). In a move of political correctness it was suggested that all bibles be removed from hospitals and hotels so as not to offend Muslims and others of different beliefs...

I figure... I live in a Christian country. Why should it be concern. Sure I respect that people may have a different belief form mine (RC) but the UK is a Christian country that's one reason why the bibles are there.

WHY then remove them?

Kinda similar situation in reverse, hey?

I think I'll start handing out The Satanic Bible to the Jesus People who keep knocking on my door. And I'll be stark nekked when I do it.

Conversion...I'll give them conversion.

Posted by apprentice https://give2.ccci...ex.php?project=900 This group wants money so they can distribute bibles to iraqis. Distributing bibles in a country where 95% of the population is muslim is rather offensive. Imagine if I walked into Oral Roberts university or the Vatican and started disributing the Koran or spreading the desire to convert Christians to Judaism. I think those Christians would be offended and angry to say the least. Why can't these fundamentalists leave these people alone? Did Jesus not say to respect all people? Live and let live.

I don't see sending Bibles to Iraq that offensive to it's inhabitants. Sort of like Peter Popoff's balloon campaign to drop Bibles over the Soviet Union.

Now, those groups who not only send the document but look to gain converts by visiting there could offend the populace depending on how they went about it.

I find it hypocritical of them to do so when the same subsect of Christianity raised such a fuss over the presentation of other religions in a comparative religion course in California.

Posted by Valiant Dancer I don't see sending Bibles to Iraq that offensive to it's inhabitants. Sort of like Peter Popoff's balloon campaign to drop Bibles over the Soviet Union.

...except that there were millions of Christians in the former Soviet union who were forbidden to practice their religion.

Your comparison is between apples and oranges. Not the same at all.

It's simple. This group can't fathom the fact that these Iraquis have their own religion and there's nothing wrong with it.. I would find this just as offensive if I were an Iraqui muslim as I find the intusions by Jehovahs Witnesses at my home. Besides, these people don't need bibles, they need food and clean water.

Posted by KublaKahn ...except that there were millions of Christians in the former Soviet union who were forbidden to practice their religion. Your comparison is between apples and oranges. Not the same at all.

Not where he was dropping them.

Posted by apprentice It's simple. [T]hese people don't need bibles, they need food and clean water.

Couldn't have said it better myself. And if some idiot says next that 'man does not live by bread alone, but by the word of God' or some shit, I'm going to laugh in their general direction for the rest of my life.

Apprentice, you've ascended. Take me with you.

Love always,

KublaKahn

Kubla. Some members of this thread must be hoping you meant descended. LOL

Posted by apprentice Kubla. Some members of this thread must be hoping you meant descended. LOL

Whatever. That's their problem. I am absolutely sick to death of the imagined moral superiority of some members of the Christian faith, and their imagined role of bringers of light to the unwashed heathens who happen to face east when they talk to God.

If Christ came back today and saw what his name has wrought, he'd sue for defamation of character.

I for one don't see the problem with distributing bibles. Constant harassment is bad, but opening up another option of beliefs is not a bad thing. Before I became a Christian I had the priviledge as an American citizen to explore and study multiple other religions from different viewpoints. I even went to a Jewish middle school, because it was the best education opportunity at the best price for me. Getting back to the point, I do agree that providing resources such as food and clean water are important. But for those with Christian beliefs, not spreading the word of God is just as important, because it effects the eternal as well as the "right now."
And even excluding that, what is so wrong with giving people another option? What is so wrong about giving people the resources to learn about a religion that was not necessarily chosen, but a part of their birthright? Something that is just "done?" If for no other reason it will allow muslims the chance to study their own religions more closely, to decide that they do, in fact, believe the Koran is correct.
I am against forcing beliefs on others, but I am 100% for allowing the opportunity for people to learn about other beliefs. To make an informed decision.

Just my opinion though.

Posted by IrishLady I for one don't see the problem with distributing bibles. Constant harassment is bad, but opening up another option of beliefs is not a bad thing. Before I became a Christian I had the priviledge as an American citizen to explore and study multiple other religions from different viewpoints. I even went to a Jewish middle school, because it was the best education opportunity at the best price for me. Getting back to the point, I do agree that providing resources such as food and clean water are important. But for those with Christian beliefs, not spreading the word of God is just as important, because it effects the eternal as well as the "right now." And even excluding that, what is so wrong with giving people another option? What is so wrong about giving people the resources to learn about a religion that was not necessarily chosen, but a part of their birthright? Something that is just "done?" If for no other reason it will allow muslims the chance to study their own religions more closely, to decide that they do, in fact, believe the Koran is correct. I am against forcing beliefs on others, but I am 100% for allowing the opportunity for people to learn about other beliefs. To make an informed decision. Just my opinion though.

Agreed...for the most part. Choice is better than no choice.

You have used an upper-case C in spelling Christian, and a lower case m in spelling Muslim. Probably just a type-o.

When you say 'multipe viewpoints,' you realize that you are living in a Christian headspace...meaning that your perspective is always biased, and slanted and informed and predicated by your Christian beliefs. You cannot escape that fact. Nothing wrong or bad with that.

Given the choice between food, water and bibles, I'd prefer to lead a life of sin and be fed and hydrated over the promise of eternal salvation any time.

Right now people need food and water. Eternity can wait.

I also capitalized the word Jewish, since we are pointing out spelling and grammer type issues. Yes, a typo and not any negative views toward Muslims, which I can only guess is what you may be implying.


I am guessing that by 'a Christian headspace' you mean America. At the time I was not, in fact, a Christian, nor was I raised in a religious household. My first serious introduction to religion as a real belief system was my Judaic education in middle school. It was only after learning Hebrew, going to Temple with my friends and otherwise getting to know the culture did I decide to become a Christian. And even that was 3 years down the road.


So by saying that I think it is an important thing to be given an option and knowledge, I only say it as a person who had that opportunity. I have grown more open minded and caring toward other people in general after getting to learn how others live, not something I can say for a lot of people.


You say that eternity can wait. That is your choice, one that I hope you came to after hearing the opposition out. Not everyone gets that oportunity.


I will never disagree with you that food and water are important, I feel as a Christian that my actions are just as, if not more important than spreading the word, and while I would most likely minister to people at the same time, my first priority is improving the quality of life for people.


I for one would not care much for hearing about God from someone who was unwilling to help me if I was in need. Therefore, I agree with you that these people are 100% idiots, if in fact, all they are doing is going over there dropping bibles on people's heads.

I think a good policy for everyone to follow is the first commandment of George Carlin:

"Keep thine own religion to thyself."