Cheny Asks for Freedom to Torture

US Vice President Dick Cheny personally appealed this week to allow the CIA an exemption to a bill that bans torture of terror suspects...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051104.wtorture1104/BNStory/International/


As I've said a hundred times before, words can't fight or fix such lunacy.

To quote the reader...

Well I trust them completely. Why shouldn't they be able to extract information from "suspected" terrorists? I mean look what a bang-up job they did of finding Iraq's "suspected" weapons of mass destruction. You go girls!

In all honesty,, i know this is a late post, i don't care is they legalise torture, we are a democracy and our success over the last two centuries is our ability to adapt to threats. if to defeat terrorism we need to adapt to torture then we should legalise it. I think if someone high up has a warrant put in front of him and has to sign it to allow torture then there will be none of this "we don't torture but we do secretly" stuff and the person who signed would be held to account if someone died in their custody

Posted by Azrael ...

Then I can only hope that you are forced to experience the same as you would do unto others, for from that comment you have proven yourself worse than most of them.

Have you ever wondered why no civilized countries allow such atrocities - torture is far worse than death...

I fully support the US government executing any means necessary to facilitate the security of this country. For me.. protection and defense of its citizens are its most important functions.

That being said.. you can't fight atrocities with atrocity. You'll only end up corrupting your own system.

Anyone that truly believes that torture is acceptable is either evil in my opinion or naive to how unimaginably horrific torture can be.

Posted by volare I fully support the US government executing any means necessary to facilitate the security of this country. For me.. protection and defense of its citizens are its most important functions. That being said.. you can't fight atrocities with atrocity. You'll only end up corrupting your own system. Anyone that truly believes that torture is acceptable is either evil in my opinion or naive to how unimaginably horrific torture can be.

Agreed, with the addition that all of the people the US has so far detained and/or tortured have not lead to a single useful bit or information, nor have they hindered a single terrorist attack. Many of them haven't done a thing, and are only being exploited by the sick fuckers for their own unchecked fun.

Such as the teenage Canadian boys in 'Gitmo' who have been there for years without a trial...

Torture and such atrocities are never an option, all they do is prove to everyone else exactly what the terrorists think - That you really are a hideous monster that deserves to live the rest of a long and conscious life in more pain than you've given countless innocent others.

If the US were truly devoted to protecting freedom and equality and all that, they'd be doing things a little differently. Fighting terrorism with guns and bombs just makes more innocent bystanders want to become terrorists. Fighting the root of the problem by improving living conditions and shining up our international image will make people respect the US and make terrorists look like assholes instead of freedom fighters.

Posted by Beryl Then I can only hope that you are forced to experience the same as you would do unto others, for from that comment you have proven yourself worse than most of them. Have you ever wondered why no civilized countries allow such atrocities - torture is far worse than death...

My thoughts exactly Beryl. Some people need to sit down and think long, and hard before they speak.

Posted by volare I fully support the US government executing any means necessary to facilitate the security of this country. For me.. protection and defense of its citizens are its most important functions. That being said.. you can't fight atrocities with atrocity. You'll only end up corrupting your own system. Anyone that truly believes that torture is acceptable is either evil in my opinion or naive to how unimaginably horrific torture can be.

If anyone support this (torture), then they do not deserve to claim the right to say "I am an American" in my opinion. We should do whatever we have to do to protect our citizens, but there limits, and anyone who advocates stepping over those
limits deserves my contempt. Torture is not acceptable in any form.

If torture's OK with Agent Jack Bauer, it's OK with me... 24, returning to Fox on January 15th & 16th, 2 hours each night!!

It must feel nice to take a massive shit on the rules outlined by the Geneva Convention.

Article 3 of the Geneva Convention Rules regarding treatment of prisoners 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. Article 17 No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind. Article 77 In all cases they shall facilitate the preparation and execution of such documents on behalf of prisoners of war; in particular, they shall allow them to consult a lawyer and shall take what measures are necessary for the authentication of their signatures.

Etc. How do we, as Americans, allow this to happen? ("to stop terrorism" is not a valid response)

From what I can tell, the Neo-con outlook is:

1. Our god has a bigger cock, so we get to do what we want.

2. Kicking other religions' asses scores points for our god. We get bonus points for brainwashing students, outbreeding the other guys, and crushing opposing viewpoints.

3. Armageddon is coming, and the country with the highest score wins.

I think the best thing for everyone is to clearly define what torture is. For some reason the authors of the Geneva Convention seemed to know what it was, yet the Bush Administration had to ask the Justice Department for clarification at some point. What saddens me the most about the current leadership, is their repeated claims that their clearly illegal decisions are "legal", without foundation, basis, and swiftly contesting any move to verify their legality in court. If they don't know the law, and are not interested in upholding it, how can they be trusted with everything else?

You gotta admit, Cheney ain't the nicest fella around. So it's pretty encouraging to hear that the man actually asked for this particular freedom. I mean... he could have just taken it for granted and gone ahead with it, or he could have told us all to go fuck ourselves. So yeah...it's encouraging.