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Discussion: The Inner City and Energy
< on 4/11/2006 12:14 AM >
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I would like to start a discussion seeing how this board is usually dead. The question is simple and open ended,

"Will higher energy prices be a blessing for the downtown?"

What are your opinions.



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< Reply # 1 on 4/11/2006 2:57 AM >
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here in quebec we are notorius for wasteing energy, i dont know our electricty is so darn cheap that we waste like crazy, our wasted light halo is bigger than NYC here in montreal, everyone heats with electricty (baseboard heaters not very efficient)




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< Reply # 2 on 4/21/2006 6:04 PM >
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I don't know if it'll be a blessing for Vancouvers' downtown, in part because there has been a massive residential shift in the formerly business dominated core. More and more people are working in the sprawl that has been spreading since the 50's. I think that higher gas prices, and the resulting higher prices on everything else we buy, will mean fewer trips out of the area the family lives. It's certainly not going to encourage more people to go to downtown.

Of course, I'm assuming by 'blessing' you mean more people and more business. I can get downtown on our transit system in about 30 minutes, with little or no effort, and I love downtown. The fewer people I share it with the happier I'll be. As long as there's a place to get great sushi, and a Blendz (r) mocha, I'll be happy.

You're right. This board is asleep. Anybody care to debate the merits of increasing infrastructure for cars, versus creating sustainable communities in light of the pending oil crisis?

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< Reply # 3 on 4/21/2006 6:06 PM >
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It depends on what you mean by "energy". Gasoline? Natural Gas? Electricity?




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< Reply # 4 on 4/22/2006 5:04 AM >
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Walking to work expends a remarkably small amount of energy.




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< Reply # 5 on 4/30/2006 7:21 PM >
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I was mainly referring to gasoline prices as they seem to be a large motivating factor according to some think tanks in where people live.





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< Reply # 6 on 5/1/2006 12:25 AM >
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"Will higher energy prices be a blessing for the downtown?"

In my opinion, No.

Higher energy prices leads to higher prices for transportation and other costs of doing business (rent, utilities and ultimately salaries). That means higher prices for consumers which can lead to lower sales for businesses.




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But would that not also hurt businesses in the suburbs?




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But would that not also hurt businesses in the suburbs?


It would definitely hurt them too. Like throwing a rock into a pond. The ripples reach out and touch everyone.




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It would definitely hurt them too. Like throwing a rock into a pond. The ripples reach out and touch everyone.



Still wouldnt more dense urban populations have a greater advantage over suburbs. Downtown areas are more central so the cost of going to work and getting groceries is lower. Also the cost of heating apartments is lower than a single detached residence.




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< Reply # 10 on 5/18/2006 3:49 AM >
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Still wouldnt more dense urban populations have a greater advantage over suburbs. Downtown areas are more central so the cost of going to work and getting groceries is lower. Also the cost of heating apartments is lower than a single detached residence.


just remeber in quebec the cost of heating when it comes to petroleum prices is slightly affected as hydro in thier infinate wisdom has switched us all over to electric heating 75%, where that causes a problem is waste, here in quebec we have the distinction of having a bigger "light halo" than new york city over montreal, thats a hell of a lot of wasted light, we also take for granted our cheap electricty and leave the tv on the heater going even when the window is open. You may say "it comes from water no harm no foul" the northern quebec water reservoirs are lower and lower by the year, during peak consumption times we buy from new york and vermont in the winter as they still heat for the most part with some sort of combustible and have surplus juice in the winter. where does that american power come from? you guessed it nuke and coal, sometimes oil. so we are no better. overall we have to look at what is causing the waste and nip it in the bud, i myself still heat with oil but i have an anthacite coal stove for the cold days and baseboards (very inneficient even though they heat quebec) for the average winter days, i have motion detectors in the bedrooms on the general lighting so if no one is in the room the light goes off. i keep my fridge and freezers full at all times, if that means bags of ice in the freezer and bottles of water in the fridge so be it, ill need it one day and it helps cut back on power usage from the fridge emptying out when the door opens. In the summer i run the air conditioning as little as possible and have my air conditioner in a shaded area. my outdoor lighting is focused and not somthing that sends light into the air. thats my effort




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< Reply # 11 on 5/19/2006 3:25 AM >
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Still wouldnt more dense urban populations have a greater advantage over suburbs. Downtown areas are more central so the cost of going to work and getting groceries is lower. Also the cost of heating apartments is lower than a single detached residence.


Not always. The goods (ie groceries) that are sold still have to be delivered by trucks and other vehicles that consume fuel to the stores. Transit uses vehicles that consume fuel or electricity. The list goes on. And also, in a lot of cases, couriers that make their deliveries use vehicles that consume fuel. Unfortunately the more dense urban populations don't always have a greater advantage. What savings they may have are consumed quickly in other expenses.




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< Reply # 12 on 5/25/2006 12:50 AM >
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rainman i dont exactly get your point on this one. A higher cost of groceries and other goods as a result of expensive shipping costs should be fairly universal. I can see some cases where rural areas might sell locally grown and produced goods for a cheeper cost, but overall everybody's cost of living will be hit hard universally by increasing energy costs.
Peoples reliance on personal transportation in suburbs is where the real pains of high energy prices will be felt.




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I dont think energy issues, gas prices in particular, have near the affect on people moving in to downtown areas as much as it's the "cool" place to live right now, at least here in Dallas I see it that way. I know a ton of people are now living downtown and commuting to the burbs to work. Plus what you save in Gas... you pay as much if not more in parking! The sad issue is the people who could use to live downtown to save money and be close to work, use transit etc... cant come close to affording it. Normal rents go fo about 70-80 cents a square foot, downtown the norm is moire like 1.25 to 1.5o PSF. People aren't saving anything, it costs them more but they get to say they live downtown to their friends!




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Re: Discussion: The Inner City and Energy
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The question is pretty broad and vague. Could you be a bit more specific?




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