I noticed this interesting article about how BBC actually reported the collapse of WTC building 7 before it collapsed, even given a reason for its collapse! All this reported with a new reporter standing in front of the still-standing WTC 7! CNN was also reporting the imminent collapse of WTC 7 prior to its collapse - when no modern steel building in history had collapsed from fire damage alone.



From the article:

Does it matter? Does it matter if the BBC reported the collapse 23 minutes before it happened or 30 seconds before it happened? The fact remains that the building is there in the background behind the reporter's head as she is telling us that it has already collapsed! Don't get tangled up in this minutia, the building is still standing after she has reported its collapse! Debates about time stamps and time zones are irrelevant.

What. The. Fuck. Is. Your. Point?

Posted by MutantMandias What. The. Fuck. Is. Your. Point?

l.o.l.

There's a point. And I think all of us know what it is.

Posted by MutantMandias What. The. Fuck. Is. Your. Point?

WTF do you think?

That the BBC attacked America?

Ugh not the conspiracy theory debate again.

<eyeroll>

I really don't get it.

Do you think it was all special effects, and they flubbed their timing?

Do you think CNN and BBC put explosives in the buildings, and after they pressed the detonate button, they didn't bother actually looking at the building to see if it had actually exploded?

I mean.... What. The. Fuck?

BBC has responded to requests to clarify how they knew about WTC 7's collapse 20 minutes before it collapsed.

They said they don't have the tapes, and that the original tapes were "lost", further fueling the speculation among 9/11 truthers.

BBC editor Richard Porter, responding to the conspiracy claims, says that they 'no longer have' the original tapes of the news corporations 9/11 coverage, fueling speculation that the Tower 7 collapse was an 'inside job.'

fueling speculation that the Tower 7 collapse was an 'inside job

inside the BBC?

Posted by MutantMandias inside the BBC?

No, they were just paid off to announce it, and they made a mistake and announced it a little too early. It's obvious that the building was demolished, a little internal fire can't level the strongest building in NY at that time and besides, the building in between building 7 and the towers didn't collapse at all.

But...... even if George Bush rigged explosives in the building himself..... why would he tell a news agency about it, and then pay them to not tell anyone that he did it.... when they would have announced it all on their own when it happened anyway....

I guess I'm not smart enough for this.

Posted by MutantMandias But...... even if George Bush rigged explosives in the building himself..... why would he tell a news agency about it, and then pay them to not tell anyone that he did it.... when they would have announced it all on their own when it happened anyway.... I guess I'm not smart enough for this.

In news, there's a thing called an embargo (an agreed upon time at which news SHOULD be released indicated by the releasor). Most news agencies are given information from "authorities" under embargo, sometimes anonymously, sometimes via the Secret Service, FEMA, Mayor's office, or other agency. There are no "payoffs" or "bribes" in this scenario. The information is treated as a press release, and is often faxed to the editorial desk. News agencies give more news time from embargoes released from places like the White House or mayor's office, than they do the EPA or Greenpeace, for example.

i.e.: "World Trade Center, Building 7's structure is unstable and is about to collapse."

The problem with the fact that BBC knew before the building collapsed is indicative of the fact that the building was "pulled." Why? Because nobody could scientifically estimate, within a few hours, when WTC 7 would collapse, even if they knew it was structurally unstable. The only logical way to explain it is that the building was purposely brought down. It takes weeks for a demo crew to rig explosives to make a building fall...

Kapish?


Critics of conspiracy theorists look at the worst possible theories to debunk their claims. Most conspiracy theorists don't believe that a missile hit the pentagon, or that "george bush" himself planted the explosives -- nay, even KNEW that thermate were being planted.

The simple physics speak for themselves. No agency or engineering professional has been able to conclusively explain why WTC 7 collapsed. It's still a mystery to them, and seems impossible without some effort to "pull" the building.

How can you think that the Secret Service, FEMA, Mayor's office, or whatever other agency is simultaneously so brilliant to pull off such a monumentally huge conspiracy without falling apart completely, while also so being so incomprehensibly inept that they forget not to send out press releases that they did it?

That is what you're saying, right? Some group, necessarily consisting of a large number of people involved to handle everything that needed to be handled, pulled off a months long operation, which required the subversion of multiple airlines, the planned demolition of multiple buildings, which required having unnoticed and yet constantly controlled access to the buildings, which required subverting the majority of the maintenance and possibly the janitorial staff of each building, and then, they handed the ops playbook for the day's timed activities to the media relations guy, who decided to make sure that the BBC would be prepped to announce the successful detonation of the bombs.

That's not even considering the people required to handle whatever the theory-du-jour says happened with the airliners and their passengers.


So, ALL of this was pulled off masterfully, without any really obvious mistakes or flubs on their part EXCEPT that they called the BBC and said, "A building is going to fall down in 22 minutes when we push the butt.... uh.... err.... that is,.... A building is going to fall down in 22 minutes.... due to.... structural.... uh....things..... <click>"

Posted by MutantMandias How can you think that the Secret Service, FEMA, Mayor's office, or whatever other agency is simultaneously so brilliant to pull off such a monumentally huge conspiracy without falling apart completely, while also so being so incomprehensibly inept that they forget not to send out press releases that they did it?

You don't understand that whoever issued the press release didn't have to know the big picture.

The manhattan project was kept secret for years, despite the fact that tens of thousands of people played some role in the project itself.

You know that you're making no sense at all, of course.

Posted by MutantMandias You know that you're making no sense at all, of course.

As the article says, "Don't get tangled up in this minutia, the building is still standing after she has reported its collapse!". You can't explain it away without first mocking and then going off on a tangent. Explain how BBC knew the building collapsed BEFORE it actually collapsed. They said "it collapsed" but the building was still in tact BEHIND the reporter!!

It's the news. They are idiots. People sometimes say, "If you can't DO, teach." The phrase should be, "If you can't DO, report." They are idiots in the midst of pandemonium. Someone somewhere says, holy shit, that building might fall, and in the frantic, terrified moments on that morning, that can easily get sent down the line as, "The building is falling!" to "The building has fallen!"



Now, I would also like it made perfectly clear that I think the current U.S. government is among the most evil governments in the world today. Bush and Cheney should be dragged through the streets and beaten for their crimes against humanity.

I believe that killing their own citizens is not beyond them by any stretch of the imagination, and that they have, in the course of 7 years, done more harm to this country than has ever been done over the nation's entire history.

I know that the founding fathers, if alive today, would be conspiring in dark corners to overthrow this tyranny and return America to the people.


But, the idea that someone sent out a press release that they were blowing up a building is a little more far fetched than the inadequacies of the media during a crisis.

Posted by MutantMandias You know that you're making no sense at all, of course.

I don't understand how I'm not making sense. Please enlighten me.

Posted by tunnelbug You don't understand that whoever issued the press release didn't have to know the big picture.

And you don't understand, that if the person who released your theoretical info wasn't in on the big picture, then that person might be a little curious himself as to why he's got a month old document in front of him predicting the collapse of a building at a specific moment in the future. And who the fuck would have given him the document, because, what I'm saying is, people would have to be far too inept to do any of this stuff if they didn't realize that the events happening during a simulated terrorist attack would not be handled by press releases specifying future events that are supposed to happen as a result of unexpected terrorist actions.

The only way any of this makes sense is if one of my earliest comments is true. The culprets are actually the BBC, or at the very least, the BBC is an active part of the conspiracy. And it still requires a shocking level of ineptitude by these master conspirators for any of your (as yet unspecified) accusations to have even the tiniest chance of being less ridiculous than the belief that there is a god.