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So the signs that the United States and Israel will be going to war with Iran are becoming more and more frequent these days. Does anyone else think this was a master-plan type scenario by the bush administration? Think about it, we first occupy Afghanistan, which borders Iran. Then we occupy Iraq which also borders Iran. I can't help but think that Iran has been the ultimate goal for the bush camp the entire time he has been in office. By invading two neighboring countries and securing the Persian Gulf it gives the US an excellent strategical position.

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I don't know if it was in their plans all along, but with israel starting to get involved with Iran, we'll probably pull some shit like we need to help our allies in the middle east to fight terror™




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This was my thinking about seven and a half years ago. It was total redeployment from Europe to the middle east.




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How long ago was it he declared Iran, North Korea, and Iraq the "Axis of Evil", 2002? Well in my book it's two down one to go. That is if you count North Korea out of the game considering they are so desperate for food the are blowing up their nuclear reactors.




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Well, I don't like the whole idea, but I suspect this has been planned for some time. In an odd way, it makes perfect sense. Think about it.....

China and India are becoming BIG world players. In order to continue their growth, they need oil. If we control Iraq and Iran, plus our own oil reserves, we control a shitload of the worlds oil, and could possible put a chokehold on China and India. Furthermore, after we control Iraq and Iran, do you think Saudi Arabia would defy us if we told them to cut off oil shipments to China? I don't think so, because I don't think they want top be occupied. I can't see the Russians intervening in this, because they HATE China, and have a long history with them. Communist fellow travelers aside, the are not friends.

pacifying Iran would be out of the question, but destroying their ability to make war and feed themselves is not a difficult thing. With Israel's assistance, I think it would be a fairly quick and bloodless matter on our side. Damned painful and bloody on Iran's part though.

I'm not saying this is a good idea, just that it is a distinct possibility.




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< Reply # 5 on 7/24/2008 8:14 PM >
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Well, I don't like the whole idea, but I suspect this has been planned for some time. In an odd way, it makes perfect sense. Think about it.....

China and India are becoming BIG world players. In order to continue their growth, they need oil. If we control Iraq and Iran, plus our own oil reserves, we control a shitload of the worlds oil, and could possible put a chokehold on China and India. Furthermore, after we control Iraq and Iran, do you think Saudi Arabia would defy us if we told them to cut off oil shipments to China? I don't think so, because I don't think they want top be occupied. I can't see the Russians intervening in this, because they HATE China, and have a long history with them. Communist fellow travelers aside, the are not friends.

pacifying Iran would be out of the question, but destroying their ability to make war and feed themselves is not a difficult thing. With Israel's assistance, I think it would be a fairly quick and bloodless matter on our side. Damned painful and bloody on Iran's part though.

I'm not saying this is a good idea, just that it is a distinct possibility.


Which pretty much provides the outline for my 9/11 theory. China inked the WTO deal about three weeks after the attack. This entire thing was pre-emptive seizing of mid-east oil from day one, and it was a project planned years and years ago back when George Sr. was running the CIA.

Laugh if you want. China's ascension to global super power was foreseen decades ago, and lines were drawn, and plans were made, and everything was carried out according to those line and plans.





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Not going to happen.

Iran is not like Iraq, it is not an isolated country with neighbours who hate it. There is religious animosity between sectarians, yes, but on a political forum Iran is seen in a favourable light - not to mention that it is ten times' more likely to be the "hero" that eventually captures or kills Osama bin Laden, and a hundred times more likely to be the "hero" that brings peace to Iraq. Iran is not Afghanistan, it is not the world's poorest nation crippled by a century of being invaded (and successfully throwing out the invaders) three times by the three world superpowers that eyed it. Iran is a stable, modern country that can afford to fight a real war.

The only realistic outcome of a military invasion of Iran would be thousands of American dead, and Iran stretching its borders even wider, gaining territory as it ovreruns American interests in the region. Five years from the outbreak of a US/Iran war, Kuwait would be folded into Iran, the majority of Iraq would similarly become irrevocably tied to Iran, while Saudi Arabia would likely reduce its ties to the United States with an adrenaline-fuelled Iran now sitting on its borders. The only uncertainty of the war would be whether Syria annexes Mosul or seizes the initiative to take back the Golan and declare open war on Israel and leaves Mosul with the Turks.

The cowboys and political pundits may not realise this, but luckily military analysts realise it - and after the federal bully got its nose bloodied over ordering its military forward into Iraq, they don't have the same power anymore.

War with Iran won't happen, no matter what McCain hopes.




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Iran is a stable, modern country that can afford to fight a real war.



That assumption is not exactly true. The only weapon technology Iran has is what they got from the USSR after it's collapse. Their military is mediocre at best not too mention Israel would be the one to start an Iran/U.S. conflict. Israel and the U.S. combined, with the strategic positions they currently have would be almost unbeatable. Sure you would have insurgent activity after the main battles where over but the country would still be over taken in probably less than a month. The U.S. is so far ahead of Iran in Military technology and weapon spending it's really not even comparable. I would hate to see this happen but I truly believe it will, and Israel will be the cause of it. We are sworn defenders of Israel and they have already said that if Iran does not stop nuclear activities war is inevitable. Check out this website for a side by side comparison of Iran vs. United States from a military aspect.

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Take a look at a side-by-side comparison of the United States and Afghanistan...it was 11 nuclear Aircraft Carriers to five jizails and a stinger. Wars aren't won by strength of arms, that's been known since the dawn of warfare.




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Take a look at a side-by-side comparison of the United States and Afghanistan...it was 11 nuclear Aircraft Carriers to five jizails and a stinger. Wars aren't won by strength of arms, that's been known since the dawn of warfare.


But occupation is. And that's all we're going for. Most people would say we lost the war in Iraq. In conventional terms, I agree with them. But we still built the largest embassy in the world right in the middle of Baghdad and in 10 years we will still have military bases there. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan is unlike a war the world has ever seen. Therefore the end game is different than anybody has ever seen before. Sure, we may never suppress the insurgents and rebel fighters but in every country we occupy, we will always have a presence and we will always have access to their oil for as long as our government deems it neccesary. I think this was the plan all along. And don't get it twisted, I don't agree with any of this, I just think most people can't see through the political bullshit to see the real truth. The United States government does as they damn well please with or with-out the approval of the population. Billions of dollars every year go into the CIA and secret "black ops" programs that even members of congress don't have access to. It's a scary thought.



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Iran's military is not capable of going toe to toe with the US. Plain and simple. I stated earlier in this thread that we aren't capable of pacifying the populace and making them submit, but we are most certainly in a position to essentially exterminate their war machine. If you really understood what the weapons systems of the US can actually do, you'd be blown away. Christ, we ran over Iraq like a puppy under a bus, and their military machine was far more technologically advanced than Iran's.




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If we ever start fighting a war then people will finally see what strength of arms can truly do. We have the capability to go really, horribly old school warfare if we want to. We haven't yet and I'm kinda happy about that. If you think the world is all pissed off right now, think of their level of "you can't do that" if we ever really want to take and hold someone elses dirt. There would be no insurgency in that situation since there would be no survivors to man it.

Nobody knows who has the biggest pile of non-nuke WMDs out there, but it is believed to be the US, Russia, or China. If any of those three ever really want to, the real no bullshit, curl your hair, horror of the piles of bodies WAR will come out. I'm betting China will go there first, but if we go to Iran...

Hide and watch. It will last a month and we will officially be the biggest bastards since Stalin.




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If we ever start fighting a war then people will finally see what strength of arms can truly do.



I've been watching for seven years. So...yeah. What I'm seeing is determination on the part of the enemy to continue in the face of overwhelming US firepower.



We have the capability to go really, horribly old school warfare if we want to. We haven't yet and I'm kinda happy about that.



You should consider it, because it's what Iraqi insurgents have been employing for at least six of those seven years.



Nobody knows who has the biggest pile of non-nuke WMDs out there, but it is believed to be the US, Russia, or China.



Hands down. Consider the arsenal of US allies, and then add it to the US stockpile. Call it 'peer pressure.' Or 'you're either with us, or etc. etc.'



If any of those three ever really want to, the real no bullshit, curl your hair, horror of the piles of bodies WAR will come out. I'm betting China US will go there first, but if we go to Iran...



If you go to Iran, you're simply accomplishing something the Chinese would rather not do. Ten years after a war with Iran, and after years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US would be so terribly depleted that for China to take control, it would simply have to show up at the front door of the White House with the U-Haul.

There's a reason why China has enjoyed an eight thousand year history.



Hide and watch. It will last a month and we will officially be the biggest bastards since Stalin.



Getting close already.





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So yesterday Iran announced they have increased uranium enrichment despite the U.N. sanctions. Makes you wonder when this powder keg is going to explode.




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So yesterday Iran announced they have increased uranium enrichment despite the U.N. sanctions. Makes you wonder when this powder keg is going to explode.


About 20 minutes after Obama's inauguration.




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About 20 minutes after Obama's inauguration.


Good. We'll see what the Hell he is made of then. Good luck Mr. President. Can you say Jimmy Carter failed Presidency?




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Just my two cents but if we're going there. I think, Obama = Epic fail

Not that McCain's much better.




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My apologies for dragging politics into the military board.

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"I've been watching for seven years. So...yeah. What I'm seeing is determination on the part of the enemy to continue in the face of overwhelming US firepower."

We have not really unleashed the whole thing on Iraq since the ground invasion ended. Not generally acceptable to bring a platoon af M1A1 tanks into a village and just erase it. KK, I work with the military for a living, and the firepower available to the average US unit is mind boggling. Any idea what an Arc Light strike can do? NOBODY lives through one. Perfect for massed infantry assaults like the Iranians would attempt.

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"You should consider it, because it's what Iraqi insurgents have been employing for at least six of those seven years."


See my above reference. Our opponents have not been so concerned about civilian casualties.


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"If you go to Iran, you're simply accomplishing something the Chinese would rather not do. Ten years after a war with Iran, and after years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US would be so terribly depleted that for China to take control, it would simply have to show up at the front door of the White House with the U-Haul."

You are kidding, right? The US has the power and material to project total war anywhere on the planet. The Chinese do not. Don't forget, we dropped more tons of bombs on LAOS during the Vietnam War than on Japan and Germany combined. A couple of hundred cruise missiles, followed by a couple of dozen Arc Lights, followed up by conventional strikes by carriers, and 80% of China lies dead in the rubble of their cities. Not bragging, simple fact.

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"Getting close already."

Please. To Stalin, Pol Pot and their ilk? Come on KK, you ain't seen nothing yet.




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"I've been watching for seven years. So...yeah. What I'm seeing is determination on the part of the enemy to continue in the face of overwhelming US firepower."

We have not really unleashed the whole thing on Iraq since the ground invasion ended. Not generally acceptable to bring a platoon af M1A1 tanks into a village and just erase it. KK, I work with the military for a living, and the firepower available to the average US unit is mind boggling. Any idea what an Arc Light strike can do? NOBODY lives through one. Perfect for massed infantry assaults like the Iranians would attempt.

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"You should consider it, because it's what Iraqi insurgents have been employing for at least six of those seven years."


See my above reference. Our opponents have not been so concerned about civilian casualties.


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"If you go to Iran, you're simply accomplishing something the Chinese would rather not do. Ten years after a war with Iran, and after years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US would be so terribly depleted that for China to take control, it would simply have to show up at the front door of the White House with the U-Haul."

You are kidding, right? The US has the power and material to project total war anywhere on the planet. The Chinese do not. Don't forget, we dropped more tons of bombs on LAOS during the Vietnam War than on Japan and Germany combined. A couple of hundred cruise missiles, followed by a couple of dozen Arc Lights, followed up by conventional strikes by carriers, and 80% of China lies dead in the rubble of their cities. Not bragging, simple fact.

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"Getting close already."

Please. To Stalin, Pol Pot and their ilk? Come on KK, you ain't seen nothing yet.



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MAN do you ever make lovin fun.




Hey, if you want to come down to the desert for a bit, we already have plans in place to ride out about 10 months of anarchy once the global military and supply war really gets under way. For hillbillies, we are actually a lot of fun, and wonderful dancers! You can go home to Canada once it is safe and you'll have some great stories to tell your kids, instead of a tag on your toe.

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