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Dual boots!!!!
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So, i'm in the process of setting up my XUbuntu ont my newly partitioned hard drive...100G drive, 20 for XP, and 10 for Linux..with a 1G swap... I'm looking foreward to learning Linux, and hopefully...soon, I can even delete my Windows!




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< Reply # 1 on 8/25/2008 11:49 AM >
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< Reply # 2 on 8/26/2008 11:45 AM >
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I still use XP for my data applications...for now. I getting more used to XUbuntu and use it for most of my web browsing. Soon i'll make the shift complete.




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Re: Dual boots!!!!
< Reply # 3 on 9/3/2008 11:48 PM >
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look into WINE it may help your full conversion from windows.

Believe me , If I could I would drop windows completley.




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look into WINE it may help your full conversion from windows.

Believe me , If I could I would drop windows completley.

Why?




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Re: Dual boots!!!!
< Reply # 5 on 9/5/2008 8:18 PM >
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Why?


Too many problems , linux is WAAAAAY faster start and load up times. Plus its so easy to get spyware through windows even with the proper protection.




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< Reply # 6 on 9/6/2008 10:15 AM >
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Too many problems , linux is WAAAAAY faster start and load up times. Plus its so easy to get spyware through windows even with the proper protection.

1) What problems?

2) I can't imagine why startup times would be an important factor when choosing an OS (I mean, if Windows XP took 2 minutes to boot I would still rather use it than Vista because the OS itself is nicer. Especially when the differences are, as in the case of "Windows" vs "Linux" rarely more than seconds apart and highly subjective - although even just looking at the minimum recommended requirements for the various systems tells it's own story: Win2k is a 133Mhz machine with 256MB RAM and 2GB, WinXP-Pro is 300Mhz with 128MB RAM and 1.5GB, and Ubuntu 8.04 is 700MHz with 384MB RAM and 8G unless you needed a real-time embedded system that would be ready at the press of a button - but Windows also handles that fine. If Windows is really that slow to boot for you (a stock XP install boots on my EeePC, while underclocked, in less than 30 seconds and that's with a little passive-cooled 4W 1.6GHz CPU) then just hibernate instead of shutting down. Then it shuts all power off like usual but when you power on, you get your entire system back with all windows back, mp3s simply continue to play, etc. just as you had them, in only 10-12 seconds (plus it takes no effort to setup or use).

3) I've never been infected with spyware or a virus although I do not run anti-virus or anti-spyware software. As long as the user is aware of the risks and how to use the system, then the system is 99% safe. Exploits, especially 0-Days, are another story, as it's impossible to prepare for every eventuality, but the two times I believe my system was affected by an exploit because I had forgotten to update Flash, for example (a bug that affected Linux as well, of course), I pressed a single button at boot to let True Image quickly resilver my System drive with the latest backup and then let Microsoft's FCIV quickly verify the checksums of everything on my data drives, which found no problems - so even if it were possible to get spyware more easily, it's also trivial to restore an entire system to a trusted configuration - plus I then started using NoScript and FlashBlock, so the risk from that cross-platform attack vector is nominal. I mean, if you can explain how it is possible to be infected by a virus or spyware without the user specifically allowing it (inc. by lack of information/experience) then I would understand your comment that it's "easier"; but as long as the user has a good knowledge of their system, a "default-deny" attitude, news of new security issues, and isn't just a bumbling idiot clicking randomly on EXEs then I can't imagine how it would be "easier" to become infected under Windows?

Especially when that same person would have even less experience on a Linux system; would have less anti-virus and anti-spyware resources as well as a MUCH smaller community dedicated to detecting new malware in the first place; would not have a strong outgoing application-layer firewall so that they could be visually presented with a warning to block outgoing connections from spyware as they appeared; would not likely know how to detect suspicious activity, handle backup/restore functions, detect rootkits, or how to verify the integrity of their upstream update servers. I mean, yes, there are many reasons to use Linux, but I can't see the applicability of the last two and perhaps your Windows problems can be easily solved?




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Re: Dual boots!!!!
< Reply # 7 on 9/16/2008 12:56 AM >
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I cannot stand vista, maybe thats why I still choose XP as my windows OS.

Ill leave this simple, currently I dont have any windows issues. And im familiar with linux. I guess its more of a personal prefrence than anything. But having the ability to download any music or vids I want without worrying about viruses or scanning every file. I could come up with tons of reasons I like linux better. Check out the ubuntu forums and those guys will list why they like linux better. your coming off as a XP fan boy.

I take it you dont heavily download music or videos do you ?




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< Reply # 8 on 9/20/2008 3:34 PM >
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I cannot stand vista, maybe thats why I still choose XP as my windows OS.

I hear you. Our HP laptop came with Vista and after 6 months using Vista, I couldn't take it anymore and spent 2 days finding/hacking every driver (even manually adding support for my graphics card in the Nvidia CUDA drivers, since normally there is no generic support for the 8400-series and many manufacturers, like HP, do not offer *any* XP drivers).


Ill leave this simple, currently I dont have any windows issues. And im familiar with linux. I guess its more of a personal prefrence than anything. I could come up with tons of reasons I like linux better. Check out the ubuntu forums and those guys will list why they like linux better.

I was just curious what your reasons were, not what random people think or what generic reasons there are.


But having the ability to download any music or vids I want without worrying about viruses or scanning every file. I take it you dont heavily download music or videos do you?

I don't, but that's a funny reason to like Linux - Since music and videos can't contain executable code (BOCTAOE), other than interpreter-specific exploit code (such as the common ASF/WMV issues which attack Windows Media Player, rather than "the computer", so those that use other players are safe), even people who do download music and videos on Windows would, however, generally be immune to malware as long as they had a bit of understanding of their system and only downloaded reasonable formats.


your coming ff as a XP fan boy.

That wasn't my intention - while I do like XP, I use it on less than half of my systems.

I've just found that very few people who vocally make the switch to Linux seem to have a reason for doing so other than to be "cool" and to tell others that they use Linux, so I usually ask to see if the user has a technical/personal/philosophical opinion or preference.

Those who don't have a reason other than showing off usually just rattle off BS about "Malware" (a problem that only affects the uneducated), "Security" (while not even knowing that, for example, Ubuntu doesn't even have a plain incoming firewall, let alone an outgoing application-level firewall, by default - or that lack of experience, in itself, is a gaping security hole, as it means the user is more likely to not even notice the risks or symptoms as they would in a system that they "know"), "Speed" (Speed is difficult to objectively measure properly but a simple marker is that Windows 2000 or XP have a fraction of the system requirements of Ubuntu), or all the "Free (as in beer) Stuff" (KDE, Koffice, bash, perl, python, all the GNU untils, gcc, Star-/Open-Office - most *NIX applications run on Windows and Windows either comes with your computer or can be had for a cheap one-time fee of 20-40$ - a lot cheaper than SuSE, Red Hat, etc. Not to mention: Cygwin, a full NIX environment for Windows; andLinux, a complete Ubuntu system that runs in Windows at almost native hardware speeds; VMWare server/player or VirtualBox, which can run various operating systems from within Windows, often at almost native speeds; and all of them are free, easy to install, and simple to manage.). Which bugs me, as spreading FUD is very un-Linux-y, and very Microsoft-y of them. <.<



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< Reply # 9 on 10/29/2008 10:50 PM >
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1) What problems?

2) I can't imagine why startup times would be an important factor when choosing an OS (I mean, if Windows XP took 2 minutes to boot I would still rather use it than Vista because the OS itself is nicer.


The thing is - when XP has more and more registry entries, it does become slow to load on many computers. You are right, it is subjective, because it depends on what you have installed. My own experience has been that after 4 boots and only 10 different programs being installed on XP, it changes from a 20 second boot up to a 2 minute boot up - which to me, is long.

Take Fedora 9. That OS, on my computer, depending on the services used, and if you are setting up networking, or any other services, it can take 60 seconds, to 2 minutes.

If you take Ubuntu's latest version, then we're talking 10 seconds. At the most. I don't know how they do it...


3) I've never been infected with spyware or a virus although I do not run anti-virus or anti-spyware software. As long as the user is aware of the risks and how to use the system, then the system is 99% safe.


Many users, and some of my closest friends, are constantly infected just by going to the wrong website. There are so many people who write code to attack any weaknesses in XP and Vista software, that you are never really safe. Antiviruses and spyware software have to be updated every day, and even then, many times by the time you get the update, there is already something else "in the wild" as they say about viruses.

Here's the point: with Linux, you don't need an antivirus or spyware program....at all. Period. To be nice, some people have them because they scan their email before sending things they've recieved onto other people.


Especially when that same person would have even less experience on a Linux system; would have less anti-virus and anti-spyware resources as well as a MUCH smaller community dedicated to detecting new malware in the first place; would not have a strong outgoing application-layer firewall so that they could be visually presented with a warning to block outgoing connections from spyware as they appeared; would not likely know how to detect suspicious activity, handle backup/restore functions, detect rootkits, or how to verify the integrity of their upstream update servers. I mean, yes, there are many reasons to use Linux, but I can't see the applicability of the last two and perhaps your Windows problems can be easily solved?


You don't need antivirus or anti spyware on Linux - but it's free, if you do. That's the point of linux. You don't need to shell out money for them. So to say "limited" is not really accurate.

You don't have to worry about the firewall - firewalls in the popular Linux OS's such as Fedora and Ubuntu pass all tests "out of the box" against attacks that Windows needs a firewall to pass - a secondary firewall to the Windows one. In short, Linux already does have a firewall by default - and you have several front ends to edit it.

There is also a program called SELinux that is constantly being developed - it is much like a "process handler" with popups like you describe, but much more in depth.

If you go to many forums such as Ubuntu or Fedora forums, you can see that many people enjoy the simplicity of Linux and not having to worry at all about firewalls, viruses, or spyware. It's just....really, really nice.

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Beryl - I am running the latest version of Ubuntu x64 and my firewall was enabled by default. AFAIK that is how it is in every Ubuntu install.

The application level would be SELinux. That is enabled by default in Fedora 9, as well as the firewall.

However SELinux hinders me more than it helps so I remove it.

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I used to dual boot Ubuntu and Vista with 10 and 20 gigs respectively. However since Windows Vista is made by windows it no longer works on my computer and im 100 percent linux! hooray




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Beryl - I am running the latest version of Ubuntu x64 and my firewall was enabled by default. AFAIK that is how it is in every Ubuntu install.

The application level would be SELinux. That is enabled by default in Fedora 9, as well as the firewall.

However SELinux hinders me more than it helps so I remove it.

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last i check that wasn't the case on the ubuntu server installs (fw)

and while SElinux is annoying at times, there are good reasons to keep it around. though on a desktop i can see how it would be much simpler to just nuke it.

I have a bunch of internet accessible *nix machines so selinux is my friend





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...but it's free, if you do. That's the point of linux. You don't need to shell out money for them...




This might be an old post (sorry if it is, i was just reading through all of the 5 posts on this forum) but I thought I'd post anyways.

I use Linux on and off (I dual boot all of my computers and just installed fedora 10) and I hear alot about Linux being 'free'. Well, you can't possibly say that you pay for all of your Windows software. I have never paid for a piece of software in my life and I've been using XP for years. Sure it might be illegal but if you know enough to switch over to linux, you know enough to go grab a torrent of whatever you want.

Just thought I'd point that out. You don't need to shell out money for Windows either. *gasp*




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You also don't need to go through life without killing a bunch of hookers.




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You also don't need to go through life without killing a bunch of hookers.


You're comparing a 'realistic' Windows user to 'killing a bunch of hookers'? How about downloading music you don't pay for? Killing kittens?




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I didn't compare anything. I was giving some general advice passed on to me by my mom.

But, no, the vast majority of Windows users (excluding China and some other places where there is essentially economic warfare against the US) pay for the software they use.

So, a "realistic" Windows user (realistic meaning "expressing an awareness of things as they really are") would be one who pays for their software, and buys the software they need, in the same way that they buy only the kind of car that they need, or as big a house as they need, as opposed to going out and stealing a Ferrari or a mansion, simply because there is one out there that they can get their hands on.

Yes, stealing software is rampant, but it is not what everyone does, and if you have chosen to convince yourself that you are just a sheeple you goes along with what everyone else does, and you think that your soul is not foul, then, not only are you dishonest, but you are also stupid.




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I didn't compare anything. I was giving some general advice passed on to me by my mom.

But, no, the vast majority of Windows users (excluding China and some other places where there is essentially economic warfare against the US) pay for the software they use.


Oh, my mistake. Only the Chinese steal software. Those bastards.

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So, a "realistic" Windows user (realistic meaning "expressing an awareness of things as they really are") would be one who pays for their software, and buys the software they need, in the same way that they buy only the kind of car that they need, or as big a house as they need, as opposed to going out and stealing a Ferrari or a mansion, simply because there is one out there that they can get their hands on.


It's a little difficult to go and steal a mansion. Seriously, stealing an object (Ferrari, mansion) is completely different from downloading software. If I didn't download it, I certainly wouldn't buy it. Why would I go and buy an operating system for a few hundred dollars? Therefore, the software companies don't lose sales because I wouldn't be a customer anyways and they don't lose money or product by me downloading it because its not an object. Its like when you trespass. It doesn't hurt anyone, it doesn't cost anyone money, and no one loses anything by doing it.

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Yes, stealing software is rampant...


No its not. Remember, only the Chinese steal software. Everyone else pays for it.

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... but it is not what everyone does, and if you have chosen to convince yourself that you are just a sheeple you goes along with what everyone else does...


Yup, it took a few years but I have successfully convinced myself that I'm a 'sheeple'. Thank you for noticing.

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...and you think that your soul is not foul...


So, my 'soul' is foul because I download software? What about you and trespassing? Does trespassing cleanse your 'soul'? After I download a piece of software, should I go trespassing to fix it?

Well, you don't have to worry about the quality of my 'soul' because I sold it last Tuesday.

Honestly, why would you go and bring religion into this conversation? We were having a perfectly good conversation and you had to go and ruin it.

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...then, not only are you dishonest...


Your hobby is 100% illegal and you go and call me dishonest because I download software? Or are you one of those people that go and ask for permission to explore locations?

Posted by MutantMandias
...but you are also stupid.


Thank you. I really do appreciate all of your comments. They are helping me to become a better person. What would this world be like if there weren't people like you going around calling people they have never met stupid. I can't even imagine.

Well, this thread has gotten a little off topic, what with the 'sheeple' and 'soul' talk. I apologize.

On a side note, I don't really download much software. I go and use free software if available. Doesn't that make me a better person? I also don't download music and I do actually pay for some software(games, and cheap software). I just thought I would enlighten everyone with my ideas but apparently some people disagree which is fine. I don't agree with using the word 'sheeple' or calling someone that was just trying to get this forum going 'dishonest' and 'stupid' but some people do and thats fine.

One last thing. I am not dishonest or stupid. Fuck you.




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One last thing. I am not dishonest or stupid. Fuck you.


You're arguing with an internet troll. That seems pretty stupid to me. Rapist.




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