as car guys, we can wish upon a star that AMC returns, but honestly, in this market under these conditions, i have a better chance of having a 12" penis overnight. The market is saturated, glutted with cars... none of which are selling very well. There was a reason that Chrysler axed Plymouth, GM axed Oldsmobile... the way Ford should shitcan Mercury.

still, imagine the happy happy joy joy of a 2010 AMC AMX or Javelin? Bring a smile to my face.

Hey i just woke up with a 12 inch penis!!!!!


yeah samurai, know what you mean, here in canukistan ford already shitcanned mercury about 4-5 years ago!

It took me like 3 years to notice that Mercurys weren't being sold here any more... shows how much appeal they have.

GM has the same problem... too many divisions, too little product differentiation. However, they make them different enough further up the food chain.

Posted by Samurai GM has the same problem... too many divisions, too little product differentiation. However, they make them different enough further up the food chain.

Well, Mercury I always thought was *trying* to be the Cadillac brand of Ford. but I could be wrong. Seems like their cars always appealed to a older generation.

And yeah, GM does have too many divisions. They need to stick to the basics of:

-Chevy
-GMC
-Pontiac
-Cadillac
-Buick
-Plus the usual regional brands like Holden, Vauxhall, etc.

Hummer should be sold to Chrysler so it can return to its AMC heritage under the Jeep Banner.

Posted by Agent Skelly Well, Mercury I always thought was *trying* to be the Cadillac brand of Ford. but I could be wrong. Seems like their cars always appealed to a older generation.

That was Lincoln

Mercury didn't really have a reason to exist. kind of like Buick. except they still exist with their bland boring vehicles.

Posted by Agent Skelly And yeah, GM does have too many divisions. They need to stick to the basics of: -Chevy -GMC -Pontiac -Cadillac -Buick -Plus the usual regional brands like Holden, Vauxhall, etc.

I think they could even do without Buick and Pontiac.

Posted by Agent Skelly Well, Mercury I always thought was *trying* to be the Cadillac brand of Ford. but I could be wrong. Seems like their cars always appealed to a older generation. And yeah, GM does have too many divisions. They need to stick to the basics of: -Chevy -GMC -Pontiac -Cadillac -Buick -Plus the usual regional brands like Holden, Vauxhall, etc. Hummer should be sold to Chrysler so it can return to its AMC heritage under the Jeep Banner.

your GM brand chart is bloated. this is what needs to happen at GM:

Chevrolet- entry level cars
Pontiac- think of them as your motorsports division. low volume high performance cars
Buick- cars your aunts and grand parents drive.
Cadillac- the top tier of automotive excellence. Cars that are the world standard.

gone?:
Saturn- redundant small car brand in an overglutted market
GMC Truck- in the past, GMC's were 'professional' grade trucks with heavier frames, axles and beefier fleetline engines. Today, a gussied up, overpriced Chevy pickup.
Hummer- penis compensator that is slow selling and ridiculously thirsty.

my list stays out of 'foreign' GM markets... i don't live there.

Back to Ford, Mercury has never had a solid market niche, even as far back as the late 40's. It was an attempt to organize Ford Motor Company like General Motors. At one point, there were four divisions to Ford. You had Ford, Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln. The Edsel was an obvious marketing failure and Mercury soldiered on, as a rebadged Ford. You have admit that it was the Eighties that really crushed any brand differentiation that the big three may have had from division to division. In taking lessons from the Japanese automakers on manufacturing, they had abandoned what made a Detroit car a Detroit car- Individuality. When you bought a Ford, you bought a car that looked like a Ford should. When you bought a Chevrolet, you bought a car that looked like a Chevrolet should.
But not after the Eighties, the whole rush to consolidate and share platforms really crimped automotive styling and brand identity... GM definitely suffered from this and although they sort of recovered, too little too late. Who wanted a Pontiac that looked like a Chevrolet that looked like a Buick that looked like an Oldsmobile? Same with Chrysler, and those silly bastards actually had the same name on one car from two different divisions!

i think this is why i have such hatred for Japanese cars. It's all about efficiency and expedience with a Japanese car. Americans are not efficient people. We're the slobby sloppy mullet-wearing trailer trash next door that no one wants to live next to. It's our culture and our strange national pride to be individuals and yet we buy their appliances. Are we that desperate to get a good deal that we so blindingly buy into obvious bullshit?

yeah, detroit made mistakes, but that's also uniquely American. We make mistakes, dust ourselves off and rock on into the next situation, wiser than we were before. AMC is an object lesson from twenty years ago in what happened to the American individual spirit.

Posted by Samurai your GM brand chart is bloated. this is what needs to happen at GM: Chevrolet- entry level cars Pontiac- think of them as your motorsports division. low volume high performance cars Buick- cars your aunts and grand parents drive. Cadillac- the top tier of automotive excellence. Cars that are the world standard. gone?: Saturn- redundant small car brand in an overglutted market GMC Truck- in the past, GMC's were 'professional' grade trucks with heavier frames, axles and beefier fleetline engines. Today, a gussied up, overpriced Chevy pickup. Hummer- penis compensator that is slow selling and ridiculously thirsty. my list stays out of 'foreign' GM markets... i don't live there. Back to Ford, Mercury has never had a solid market niche, even as far back as the late 40's. It was an attempt to organize Ford Motor Company like General Motors. At one point, there were four divisions to Ford. You had Ford, Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln. The Edsel was an obvious marketing failure and Mercury soldiered on, as a rebadged Ford. You have admit that it was the Eighties that really crushed any brand differentiation that the big three may have had from division to division. In taking lessons from the Japanese automakers on manufacturing, they had abandoned what made a Detroit car a Detroit car- Individuality. When you bought a Ford, you bought a car that looked like a Ford should. When you bought a Chevrolet, you bought a car that looked like a Chevrolet should. But not after the Eighties, the whole rush to consolidate and share platforms really crimped automotive styling and brand identity... GM definitely suffered from this and although they sort of recovered, too little too late. Who wanted a Pontiac that looked like a Chevrolet that looked like a Buick that looked like an Oldsmobile? Same with Chrysler, and those silly bastards actually had the same name on one car from two different divisions! i think this is why i have such hatred for Japanese cars. It's all about efficiency and expedience with a Japanese car. Americans are not efficient people. We're the slobby sloppy mullet-wearing trailer trash next door that no one wants to live next to. It's our culture and our strange national pride to be individuals and yet we buy their appliances. Are we that desperate to get a good deal that we so blindingly buy into obvious bullshit? yeah, detroit made mistakes, but that's also uniquely American. We make mistakes, dust ourselves off and rock on into the next situation, wiser than we were before. AMC is an object lesson from twenty years ago in what happened to the American individual spirit.

Well, Saturn I think at one point did have a place in the American market but that time is long gone. GM should of spun off Saturn when they had the chance in the 90s.

And thinking about it some more, make GMC the fleet sales brand.

Of course, I feel like GM needs to create a law enforcement only brand...

I personally just don't like Toyota's "We are better than Detroit because we invented the Prius" approach in recent years. Honda used to have that kind of attitude and they have backed off on that and are pretty much happy where that are now. Okay, maybe they go a tad overboard on the Civic, but that's OK. The Stock Civic isn't bad of a car; just gets overboard when ricers and fanboys step in. Nissan I always admired since they never really tried to be anything like their Japanese rivals in North America and just happy where they have been in the past 50 years. I've owned a Nissan and I was always impressed.

Toyota's are nothing special.
Hondas are nothing special.
Nissans, ok, Nissans have never dumped their cars here and have always had a 'maverick-ness' to them. They always seemed different than the other two.

so, ok... ONE japanese car make is tolerable in my universe.

that being said i will have to agree, my buddys datsun pickup has 2 sparkplugs per cylinder, interesting car

Posted by Samurai Toyota's are nothing special. Hondas are nothing special. Nissans, ok, Nissans have never dumped their cars here and have always had a 'maverick-ness' to them. They always seemed different than the other two. so, ok... ONE japanese car make is tolerable in my universe.

Wow, I convinced Samarui of something! Maybe tomorrow he won't wake up as a Innkeeper in Vermont!

Posted by Agent Skelly And thinking about it some more, make GMC the fleet sales brand. Of course, I feel like GM needs to create a law enforcement only brand...

The GMC Caprice Pursuit, and the GMC Caprice Fleetlne/Livery (taxi)

Leave GMC as fleet only brand cars and trucks.

Posted by CaptOrbit The GMC Caprice Pursuit, and the GMC Caprice Fleetlne/Livery (taxi) Leave GMC as fleet only brand cars and trucks.

but you could do the same thing with Chevrolet with better brand recognition.

while we are waxing nostalgic about AMC lets revive checker for the hell of it!

Posted by nostra-YOUPPI! while we are waxing nostalgic about AMC lets revive checker for the hell of it!

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Now you're talking!
Revive Checker as your fleet only car

I HAVE AN AMC MADE CHEROKEE AND THE THING IS A TANK. 193000 AND STILL RUNS LIKE NEW. WE HAVE A CUSTOMER AT THE JEEP DEALER I WORK AT WITH 285K ON HIS 89 CHEROKEE, NO MAJOR REPAIRS.

Posted by masswrecker I HAVE AN AMC MADE CHEROKEE AND THE THING IS A TANK. 193000 AND STILL RUNS LIKE NEW. WE HAVE A CUSTOMER AT THE JEEP DEALER I WORK AT WITH 285K ON HIS 89 CHEROKEE, NO MAJOR REPAIRS.

please remember where the Caps Lock key is in future posts.
were these Cherokees equipped with the GM 2.8L?

Reviving another dead thread. Sam the 2.8 was a GM engine in the early years. We in the jeep world avoid it like the plague (sorry). The 4.0 was a AMC design. A new version of the 4.2. It was introduced in 87.