Just out of curiosity, actually a friend wanted to know, if someone "home invades" you and you defend yourself and in the process slit their throat, can you take the body and bury it in the woods? I mean, assuming you clean up all the blood in your house?

Also, where is the line drawn from securing your home with locks and alarms to fortifying your home? I understand that most territories require you to leave your home accessible to law enforcement. But really, do you have to hand it to them on a silver platter? For example, my friend wants to know if some rudimentary fortification to allow time to hide your prostitute slaves in a hidden basement room, is that, like, reasonable?

a state trooper once told me that if someone breaks into your home, you have the right to defend yourself and your family up to killing the intruder, but the sticker was they HAD TO BE IN THE HOUSE. You can't catch them outside catting around and cap them, strange as that sounds.
However, one or the other the altercation goes, it's also your responsibility to call the police to do the paperwork. You just can't ice someone and then bury them out back... that's not how a supposedly civilized society works.

Darn! So shooting them, running them through the wood chipper and flushing the various pieces and parts down crapper at local fast food restaurants is out of the question?

Posted by shellyl Darn! So shooting them, running them through the wood chipper and flushing the various pieces and parts down crapper at local fast food restaurants is out of the question?

no.
just make sure you don't get caught.

If you kill someone in your home in self defence, why would you go to the trouble of hiding the body? Just call the authorities and tell them what happened, and you're set.

Fedge, just in case this was not a hypothetical question, I alerted the authorities in your area. If someone knocks on your door in the next ten minutes, I highly recommend answering it.

I'm sure someone will know with authority, but I remember many years ago, there was some news about some laws that allowed you to kill someone that you perceived as threatening the security of your home, but once they had actually gotten inside, then you no longer had the right to kill them, since you weren't defending against them getting into your home anymore.

Obviously, that is a boneheaded law, and it has probably been fixed in most places.

I think it was actually news because someone had set booby traps and killed someone who had broken in. The home owner set up something that basically caught the guy between two pieces of fence which sandwiched him in, and then got electrified. As I remember it, the homeowner got in trouble because the trespasser had already gotten into the house.

Like I said, that's probably not true anymore.



But, also to answer your question, no, even if you have no culpability in the killing, it is against the law to fail to notify the police that it has occurred.

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(Of course, I am not a lawyer and just enjoy talking out of my ass)

Posted by Samurai a state trooper once told me that if someone breaks into your home, you have the right to defend yourself and your family up to killing the intruder, but the sticker was they HAD TO BE IN THE HOUSE. You can't catch them outside catting around and cap them, strange as that sounds. However, one or the other the altercation goes, it's also your responsibility to call the police to do the paperwork. You just can't ice someone and then bury them out back... that's not how a supposedly civilized society works.

if someone comes after my family that body will never be found... or at least not for 100 years or so.

In oklahoma, they call the law that addresses this the "make my day" law. If someone enters your house without your consent, you are legally allowed to defend your home by shooting them. After, you're supposed to call 911 and tell them basically "someone has been shot". The cops show up, you have the magazine out of the gun on the floor away from you, and your hands are where they can be seen. You will probably be arrested but not necessarily charged. A friend went through the carry and conceal class down there and they said that the only way to NOT go to jail is to make sure you get a kill shot in one try. Because dead people don't talk, and you don't want to look like you were trying to keep them quiet.

In most states you need to try and flee before using deadly force in your home. In Arizona and a few other states we have what is called the "Castle Doctrine". It basically states that a person is presumed to be justified in using force or deadly force if he/she reasonably believes they or another person are in imminent peril and the attacker has entered or is trying to enter a residence or occupied auto.

I can only speak for the US, but this can vary from state to state. Texas for example has the "Castle Doctrine" where a mans home(property) is his castle and he can defend it basically as he sees necessary. There was recently a big case down there where a guy shot and killed an alleged robber outside his neighbors house. The neightbor got off scott free.

However, may other states vary. Usually the perpetrator would have to be in your house. Also, you'd have to prove that killing him was necessary in protecting your life or your families.

There's a recent case in the news (dont' remember where) where a guy shot to death a drunk college student trying to get in a window after he mistakenly was trying to get into to the wrong house. Don't remember how this one ended up.

In college my criminology professor told us that if you ever shoot someone, drag them inside your house at least, lol.

Usually these really vary by a case-by-case basis.

You gotta remember if that you make your property a trap, if someone gets injured just walking up to your house they can sue you. Also, if you have a friend over for dinner, if your house-o-traps injures them , you'll also be liable.

Posted by MutantMandias The home owner set up something that basically caught the guy between two pieces of fence which sandwiched him in, and then got electrified.

Brutal.

Posted by shellyl Darn! So shooting them, running them through the wood chipper and flushing the various pieces and parts down crapper at local fast food restaurants is out of the question?

That's some hardcore business there Shells. I'll feel sorry for any dude that threats you or your family.

P.S., don't forget to disassemble the woodchipper and discard the spare parts randomly though the storm drains, abanonments, lakes, etc. Oh, and the soil under the woodchipper, you might want dig up at lest 3' of the soil, drive it up to the lake, and throw it in the water so the cadaver/blood dogs don't get a whiff. I read/watch too much about forensics.

I have 3 kids. If anyone comes in my house, they are going to get the contents of a 12 gauge shell to the chest. With all the home invasion kidnappings going on lately, im shooting first. God help anyone who comes into my house with intent to harm something one way or another.

I have been at home during 2 home burgalries.

One time was just before christmas about 20 years ago, when I heard them downstairs as I was going to sleep at about 3 am. I was halfway out of bed to go check it out when I realized that it was probably just the dog. The next morning, I came down the stairs, glanced over at the tree, and wondered why all of the presents were missing.

The other time, I was only a few months old, but I would have kicked their asses.

Posted by Samurai a state trooper once told me that if someone breaks into your home, you have the right to defend yourself and your family up to killing the intruder, but the sticker was they HAD TO BE IN THE HOUSE. You can't catch them outside catting around and cap them, strange as that sounds. However, one or the other the altercation goes, it's also your responsibility to call the police to do the paperwork. You just can't ice someone and then bury them out back... that's not how a supposedly civilized society works.

What if you catch them rooting around in the back, and you invite them inside, and THEN you cap them?

Posted by KublaKhan What if you catch them rooting around in the back, and you invite them inside, and THEN you cap them?

Naw. Entrapment. Besides, you may end up liking the person and then feel bad for capping them.

Yep, Fedge, if you kill someone even if you had a right to, you're supposed to call the cops. That way they can book you. Even though you weren't wrong.

Ah, America.

Posted by sandaili Yep, Fedge, if you kill someone even if you had a right to, you're supposed to call the cops. That way they can book you. Even though you weren't wrong. Ah, America.

But then, hopefully, the other crooks will realize with the publicity that it is a much better idea not to go to your house.

Here in Canada, the cops also appreciate the courtesy of a call. Let's them know there's one less crook on the streets. Besides, they may know that crook and want to give you a pat on the back.

Hey Fedge,

You are in Canada, you aren't really allowed to defend your property, house, car, ect. at all. You are only allowed to use reasonable force to protect yourself... it sucks, but it is true. Someone breaks into your house, not much you can do about it.

After acknowleging the above, I will state... if someone breaks into my house, and my wife or any of my kids are home, I will do WHATEVER it takes to elliminate the threat, regardless of penalty.

Posted by Nvr2loud After acknowleging the above, I will state... if someone breaks into my house, and my wife or any of my kids are home, I will do WHATEVER it takes to elliminate the threat, regardless of penalty.

Nice. I hope that your window and children feel that it was worth it.