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Pushing Boundries
< on 7/29/2009 11:24 PM >
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One of the great things about about the written word, it that it gets a person to sit and "listen" to things they normally wouldn't otherwise. In context, allows a person see in a sense the "whole story" around something that otherwise, would be drab or offensive in the spoken word. I think that is part of why books get banned in the first place. Not because they are vulgar, but because we can see what is "vulgar" in another light, and the powers of such labels go away. Thus losing the power to control. What scares me is illiteracy and the will to ignorance, that seems to plague modern society. A sort of puritanical white wash that seems to be coming back from the Victorian age. One which was cast aside for the better by the stream of writers and from the Late Edwardian era to the Beats. It seems to me, that with the age of internet communication, we have been flooded with useless information. Information, short and brief, that causes a enough of a shock, but without substance, that causes people to become bitter and jaded, without causing any boundaries to be pushed whatsoever. Moreover, one can just go into a sort of perpetual state of shock, and go on the defensive any time something becomes too "weird". Missing completely the mind stretchering substance that is in the end most important. Who cares what is said or implied, what matters is that one THINKS. I was told that a single page in Jean-Paul Sartre's Nausea was dirty, and this person refused to read the rest of the page, because a few lines were "dirty". Missing completely that is a story of a guy who is finding himself becoming disassociated from reality, and is having all the outside stimulus leak into his brain. Where a dead Russian revolutionary takes over his life, and a newspaper article turns him into a rapist and whole host of other non realities. Yet all this was missed. We live in a sad world.




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Re: Pushing Boundries
< Reply # 1 on 8/4/2009 4:22 PM >
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You sir, have a wonderful mind. People like you make me think maybe, just maybe there is some hope for our species.


What scares me is illiteracy and the will to ignorance, that seems to plague modern society


You're right, it's terrifying. I never understood this. When I was in school I would rant at my fellow students in disbelief at how they would willingly dumb themselves down or deny their inherent ability to learn. It baffles me why anyone would not want to enhance their mind. To me its one of the greater joys in living. I wasn't very liked in school...

I guess I do understand though. It seems to be a case of the need to fit in. It's sad really. Our species doesn't seem to care.




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Re: Pushing Boundries
< Reply # 2 on 8/5/2009 12:42 AM >
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You sir, have a wonderful mind. People like you make me think maybe, just maybe there is some hope for our species.


Well thank you, Such kind words. But I think if I'm the best the world can come up with, then we surely are doomed. but doom is not mine to foresee. This was just a rant, to get out of my mind what at a single point angered me. Anger will not get me far though. Nor will thinking myself better than anyone else. To quote a movie that has been quoted too many times before: "We are all a part of the same compost heap".

You're right, it's terrifying. I never understood this. When I was in school I would rant at my fellow students in disbelief at how they would willingly dumb themselves down or deny their inherent ability to learn.


Schools are not a place of learning. Indoctrination is the goal. Fault should not be on them. It's like a game of winners and losers, except the winners are losers and the losers still lose. Those who win, either continue with the rat race of chasing the bitch-goddess of success, and/or become pillars, stuck in time, doomed to a life of conservatism. Indoctrinating the losers of this game so they won't rise up and destroy the game. The losers of this game end up poor, crazy, disrespected, and utterly without power, which is given by this game. Those with sense, fight the best they can, and are fated with ignorance.

It baffles me why anyone would not want to enhance their mind. To me its one of the greater joys in living.


To some it is indeed, but beware the "life of the mind", Madness is but a small pitfall that one can befall. Waking up one day to realize the life has not been lived is a fate worse than death.

I wasn't very liked in school...


neither was I. . .
One of my crowning achievements was when a student a few grades higher than I was reading Catcher in the Rye, and I asked him if he liked it. "No, I don't, Holden reminds me to much of you. He is such a pessimist." I laughed!

I guess I do understand though. It seems to be a case of the need to fit in. It's sad really. Our species doesn't seem to care.


More than a need to fit it, we have made fake conditions of survival. We care, But survival wins over evolution. Humans do funny things.

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I sound really convoluted. Not just what I say, but how I say them. I've been reading Tolkien, and I think I have picked up his way of talking.




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< Reply # 3 on 8/6/2009 11:37 PM >
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Schools are not a place of learning. Indoctrination is the goal. Fault should not be on them. It's like a game of winners and losers, except the winners are losers and the losers still lose. Those who win, either continue with the rat race of chasing the bitch-goddess of success, and/or become pillars, stuck in time, doomed to a life of conservatism. Indoctrinating the losers of this game so they won't rise up and destroy the game. The losers of this game end up poor, crazy, disrespected, and utterly without power, which is given by this game. Those with sense, fight the best they can, and are fated with ignorance.


Such a sad little hampster wheel of existence we lead.


neither was I. . .
One of my crowning achievements was when a student a few grades higher than I was reading Catcher in the Rye, and I asked him if he liked it. "No, I don't, Holden reminds me to much of you. He is such a pessimist." I laughed!


Haha nice. Such a great book. Funny, people in my grade seemed to hate me, but the ones a few years ahead seemed to love me. So many times all throughout high school I'd have older kids tell me, "I hate your grade, but you're actually pretty cool". From someone in my grade it would be something more like, "Oh, her? She's weird she walks around all pissed off, thinks she's so smart, and hates everyone"


More than a need to fit it, we have made fake conditions of survival. We care, But survival wins over evolution. Humans do funny things.


When I was young we experienced a blackout that left us without power for a few days. Everyone around me flipped a shit, but I thought it was pretty cool. It made me wonder what people would do if we lost power for weeks, months, or permanently. While watching nature shows on the discovery channel, I realized how pathetically weak we are - especially now that most people wouldn't have the slightest clue as to how to survive in the wild even overnight. One of my lifelong goals was to become completely self sufficient. Be able to survive in the wild, let go of the worlds technology, and leave the world behind for a while.

By the way, have you read The Road?


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I sound really convoluted. Not just what I say, but how I say them. I've been reading Tolkien, and I think I have picked up his way of talking.


I've noticed Over the years I've picked up a knack for figuring out what people are trying to say without them really saying it.




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Re: Pushing Boundries
< Reply # 4 on 8/9/2009 10:54 PM >
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Such a sad little hampster wheel of existence we lead.


Indeed. Yet we are not above it. Nor will we ever. Noticing that we are slaves is not enough. Thinking ourselves smarter only puts us in line with everyone else who thinks that they know better.

Haha nice. Such a great book. Funny, people in my grade seemed to hate me, but the ones a few years ahead seemed to love me. So many times all throughout high school I'd have older kids tell me, "I hate your grade, but you're actually pretty cool". From someone in my grade it would be something more like, "Oh, her? She's weird she walks around all pissed off, thinks she's so smart, and hates everyone"


Catcher In The Rye was the book that got me into reading seriously.

Are you still in highschool?

When I was young we experienced a blackout that left us without power for a few days. Everyone around me flipped a shit, but I thought it was pretty cool. It made me wonder what people would do if we lost power for weeks, months, or permanently. While watching nature shows on the discovery channel, I realized how pathetically weak we are - especially now that most people wouldn't have the slightest clue as to how to survive in the wild even overnight. One of my lifelong goals was to become completely self sufficient. Be able to survive in the wild, let go of the worlds technology, and leave the world behind for a while.


You would be surprised how adaptable people are.

By the way, have you read The Road?


No I have not. Believe it or not, I'm not really well read. Books just come to me, via synchronicity.



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< Reply # 5 on 8/11/2009 7:18 PM >
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Indeed. Yet we are not above it. Nor will we ever. Noticing that we are slaves is not enough. Thinking ourselves smarter only puts us in line with everyone else who thinks that they know better.


Allegory of the Cave keeps coming to mind.


Catcher In The Rye was the book that got me into reading seriously.
Are you still in highschool?

No, I graduated in '08. Not in school now for various reasons. One day though.


You would be surprised how adaptable people are.


I don't think we really have a choice. It's either adapt or die.


No I have not. Believe it or not, I'm not really well read. Books just come to me, via synchronicity.


You do come across as being well read. I've read a lot I suppose, but the more I read, the more I crave.




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