If you have to choose one which would it be.

I am starting to look for a new car. It would most likely not be the base v6 model, since the base v8's don't drink much more gas anyways, stick most likely.

I like the way the challenger looks the best for sure. Is it a good car? I do not see any reviews from owners on carsurvey.org.

Which would you choose? why?

well, after driving the big three in this (shut up, fuckers), I have to say that for power, the V6 Camaro is an animal, especially with the manual transmission. The Mustang doesn't have as much power, but it does have the fun factor with the fact that it IS a Mustang, and you can't argue with a solid forty plus years of fun fun fun. Driving the V6 Challenger was frustrating. I mean frustrating in that the car felt heavy. In corners, it felt heavy, on the straights the V6 just didn't have the forward thrust of the other two cars. To be honest, it was pretty dull. A car like this shouldn't be dull.

Interior-wise, well the Camaro reminds me of 1969 all over again as well as 1970. If you are not a fan of the way you sat in an old Camaro, you probably aren't going to like this car, either. You sit down IN the car, the windows feel smallish and the rear window is pretty much useless. However, once past that, the car feels more expensive than it is. The gages are perfect, everything is right where want it and the info center (radio, nav, etc) are pretty easy to operate. I made fast friends with it during my 20 minute test drive. Driving position was excellent, and the base seats were excellent, even for me (5'11', 290lbs) but as I said, you're either love it or hate when you put the seatbelt on.

The Mustang, interior wise, is still pretty much 2005... it's got a good front area, gages are reminscent of the old school and are easy to ride. It's a good solid interior and very capable place to do business. My own bitch was the stereo in the V6 deluxe coupe... it didn't sound as good as the one in the Camaro, but that's (I know) harping on the fudge. You don't buy these cars for the stereo.

The Challenger, man I hate to bash on this car, but the interior was dull. The seats just weren't that great. Driving the Challenger felt like driving a Neon rental. Everything felt... i don't know, cheap. This was a car that if Chrysler was going to go retro with, they should've gone the whole 9 yards with it.

Price wise, well, the Camaro is a bargain for what you get with the base car. The Mustang is a little higher priced, but NOT much. By comparison, the Challenger base car is overpriced and then the dealers are marking them up with a fury... I've already seen weird marketing versions... One was the "Vanishing Point Special"... you guessed it, white V8, manual shift... all it needed was a Colorado license plate and it was 1970 all over again.

So, Gambino, this was about as unbiased as I could get... I liked the Camaro a little more than the Mustang, but couldn't really take anything away from the Mustang other than the V6 is a little less powerful and the stereo sucked. As for the Challenger, I feel your money would be better spent on the Ford or the Chevrolet. I do know that dealers here are having a hard time meeting the demand for the Camaro... they don't sit long on lots. The last V6 manual transmission Camaro I looked at was $25k US... the last V6 Deluxe Mustang coupe I looked at was around $24k. The last and only Challenger 6 i drove was $29k


I didn't mention the Genesis... I didn't even like the car enough to drive it.

Thanks Samurai, for sure I'm going to have to drive them
I will test base models v6, and base v8. I may lean towards the 8's as I said, since they are not so much worse for mpg than their v6 counterparts. 90% of my driving is commuting on the highways anyways to and from work.

I like the interior of the camaro, the v6 has quite a lot of power too.
The stang is nice aswell, I know it's good. The challenger I know nothing about though, aside from I like the way it looks. I don't even mind the look of the interior.

I know the genesis really doesn't fit into the category all that well, it seems more wanting to look like an sl benz or something.

I wanted something american, one of these retro reincarnations.

well taking what samurai said, i would take the inside of the camaro and the outside of the challenger.
i find the camaro is plain ugly outside sadly, and im a gm guy. Im just waiting for AM General to build a javelin (one can hope)

Wait until Chrysler uses the new V6 and updates the Challenger in 2011. It's due for a refresh, and the new V6 should put out 300hp. They're looking at making it lighter and refreshing the interior.

Drive an SRT Charger

for the money, you're better off buying a Vette or an SS/RS Camaro. The Charger SRT8 has the most power of their lineup, but the car doesn't really do anything great. It's biggest thing is image. It's a Challenger and a Challenger brings back images from the movies... i mean cult movies were Mopar movies.


the great thing about the V8's from Ford and Chevy is the fact they're pretty thrifty and docile when you're not beating the shit out of them. The 8 in the Camaro is way more of an animal than the Mustang... the 4.6L's lack of displacement really shows with the 2005 bodystyle. Ford has played with this engine til it's blue in the face and the pushrod engines from GM just have more grunt. But again, when you buy a Mustang, you're not just buying a Mustang, you're buying an image and 40 years of model heritage, good, bad and ugly.

but with any of these three cars, you're buying the image and you're buying a little piece of history. New age of muscle cars, new age of performance and the way things are going, this could be the last incarnation of muscle we see.

Of the 3, I would go Camaro. The new Mustang seems already a bit dated. The Challenger is beautiful but way over priced and heavy. The Camaro comes with a standard mullet AND doublewide. Its got decent power, not too fat, and priced decent. That said I don't think you would go wrong with any of em. But may be happier with the Camaro. My 2cent.

I'd go Camaro. I really, really like it. It looks sweet, drives beautifully, feels well built, etc. Even the base V6 hauls serious ass with the 6 speed and gets incredible gas mileage.

I love the Challenger as well but the Camaro feels a bit smaller as far a manouvreability is concerned, and I just prefer the way the Camaro drives.

Ford ruined the Mustang with this year's redesign. It was beautiful till they messed with the headlights and tail lights, plus I never liked the way they drove.

If you're buying new, I'd say to buy the camaro. It's an overall better car than the new Mustang, especially if you get the SS model.

However, if you're open to used cars I'd buy an 03/04 cobra. Those cars can really be fun to drive.

EDIT: A used LS2 Corvette would be a pretty sweet purchase also.

challenger, it simply looks bad ass and sounds sexy

Posted by Nismo challenger, it simply looks bad ass and sounds sexy

it's the old analogy of having a cucumber in your pants instead of a large cock.
sure it looks bad ass and sexy, but when you drop your pants, well... the laughter ensues.

Yup, that 5.7 liter hemi is such a tiny, gutless engine...

(wtf?)

Posted by Samurai it's the old analogy of having a cucumber in your pants instead of a large cock. sure it looks bad ass and sexy, but when you drop your pants, well... the laughter ensues.

I thought the saying was the bigger the mullet, the smaller the dick...

Posted by bandi Yup, that 5.7 liter hemi is such a tiny, gutless engine... (wtf?)

compared to the engine in the Camaro SS and the Shelby Mustang, yeah, the Hemi is a joke.

I find it funny that everyone always compares the Shelby, the SS, and the R/T. C&D, R&T, and Consumer Reports take the 2 highest-end cars in the Ford and Chevy lines and compare them to the 2nd highest Challenger. WTF?

The 6.1L and 6.4L Hemi (Fuck yeah! The 392 comes back mid 2010!) are certainly bigger, badder engines, and yet everybody makes an unfair comparison.

Posted by velcrozeppelin I find it funny that everyone always compares the Shelby, the SS, and the R/T. C&D, R&T, and Consumer Reports take the 2 highest-end cars in the Ford and Chevy lines and compare them to the 2nd highest Challenger. WTF? The 6.1L and 6.4L Hemi (Fuck yeah! The 392 comes back mid 2010!) are certainly bigger, badder engines, and yet everybody makes an unfair comparison.

maybe because the Challenger is just not as good a car as the other two?
what sells the Challenger is the nostalgia factor... when a Challenger SRT8 can get beat by a Cadillac CTS-V, you know there is room for improvement.

Now a CTS-V and a Challenger is also not a fair comparison. The CTS-V uses a newer, technologically superior engine that is supercharged. It's one of the cheapest, easiest, safest way to 500hp and world-class handling, along with all the creature comforts expected out of Cadillac. Not a fair comparison by far.

It all comes down to this: if QC weren't so shitty because of Daimler's meddling, the Challenger would be a lot more of a car. On paper, it's every bit as good as the other two, if not better in some ways. However, for people where top speed is absolutely everything, the Camaro will win because it was designed to go fast. IMHO, it's not a head turner, and a large portion of its sales are driven by the Transformers. Just about every Camaro in the Greater Rochester Area is yellow with dual black stripes. A couple even have the Bumblebee package with the Autobot logo on the wheels and in place of the bow tie. They drive me nuts, and I'm already getting sick of the Camaro, and wish every day that someone will unveil a Firebird body kit for it so it's not so butt.

As it stands, I will concede that the Challenger is lucky it has its good looks and legacy styling, because it wouldn't have sold otherwise. However, Fiat is already turning around quality control in the Chrysler plants, making sure that they meet much stricter standards than Mercedes ever did. In fact, Mercedes' standings in many of the auto mags have fallen to shit since the DaimlerChrysler merger, because Mercedes just kind of got lazy and greedy. They cut too many corners and put out an inferior product, from Dodge through their own lines (AMG-Benz excluded).

Now, I appreciate the differences in people's automotive tastes and will certainly admit that I enjoy driving my mom's lowly V6 Mustang, and would love to drive a Camaro for the experience (although I would never own one until they made a Firebird trim/body kit for it). And I LOVE the Charger/Challenger/300. But I also really enjoy a lot of the other "competitors" in the fast/fun/sporty cars category, like the Genesis coupe, the WRX/STI, and even cars like the Maxima. But personally, I can't wait to drive the 2011 refresh of the Challenger and the Charger. In fact, I'm already saving for a down payment on one or the other, since I have so much faith in the new product and new management. Fiat is doing a phenomenal job managing and making sure all the pieces are built right and put together right the first time, and letting Chrysler's R&D do what they do best: Make fast, hot cars that are well-designed and set new standards.

Edit: I guess my main point is to give credit where it's due, and don't automatically dismiss the legend.

I'm pretty sure if even the Genesis had a bowtie on the front, it'd be unbeatable.

bowtie is like type R, it adds mad horsepower