Posted by Oryx That's most likely true. Like the whole thing with dinosaur bones. So thinking about it more... looks like if God were proven real, nothing much would really change.

I'd love to go to the creation museum in Cincinnati, but I don't want to give them any money. I hear it's really expensive, too, presumably to keep out the merely curious.

My niece (who is older than me) and I once got in an argument about the age of the earth. When I pointed out that bones, etc., have been carbon dated to be millions of years old, easily disproving the belief that the earth is 6000-ish years old, her response was "God made them appear to be older." That ended the conversation.

I think if God's existence were proven, scientifically, things would change.

Posted by Oryx Ia! Ia! Chulhu Fhtagn!

Just give me some slack.

Posted by Oryx That's most likely true. Like the whole thing with dinosaur bones. So thinking about it more... looks like if God were proven real, nothing much would really change.

No, if god were proven real there would be burnings in the streets.

Posted by earthworm No, if god were proven real there would be burnings in the streets.

I really don't think so. As far as most religious people are concerned, God HAS been proven real. So, sure, there might be some incidental "I told you so violence," but I doubt much would change.

Posted by Avius I really don't think so. As far as most religious people are concerned, God HAS been proven real. So, sure, there might be some incidental "I told you so violence," but I doubt much would change.

Well, I see it leading to a surge in fundamentalism without checks and balances. If god is 100% without a doubt "real", and so is the bible, then it would be taken literally to the point it was in the middle ages and before and those that opposed this would be on the wrong side of god. But again, this does depend on which god, or rather which aspect of a god, is proven real and in what circumstance it is proven.

Posted by earthworm Well, I see it leading to a surge in fundamentalism without checks and balances. If god is 100% without a doubt "real", and so is the bible, then it would be taken literally to the point it was in the middle ages and before and those that opposed this would be on the wrong side of god. But again, this does depend on which god, or rather which aspect of a god, is proven real and in what circumstance it is proven.

Then we'd plunge into another era of the "dark ages" and the cycle will start again. Read A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century by Barbara W. Tuchman

Posted by earthworm Well, I see it leading to a surge in fundamentalism without checks and balances. If god is 100% without a doubt "real", and so is the bible, then it would be taken literally to the point it was in the middle ages and before and those that opposed this would be on the wrong side of god. But again, this does depend on which god, or rather which aspect of a god, is proven real and in what circumstance it is proven.

Yeah, I can see it happening as well.

Most likely, God would probably step in and tell us all to smarten up, behave ourselves and play nice or He'll get real mad and kick our asses!

Posted by splumer I'd love to go to the creation museum in Cincinnati, but I don't want to give them any money. I hear it's really expensive, too, presumably to keep out the merely curious. My niece (who is older than me) and I once got in an argument about the age of the earth. When I pointed out that bones, etc., have been carbon dated to be millions of years old, easily disproving the belief that the earth is 6000-ish years old, her response was "God made them appear to be older." That ended the conversation. I think if God's existence were proven, scientifically, things would change.

Interesting point there. Personally, I believe God created the Earth. The questions I have are:

1) How? Perhaps through that "E" word "Evolution". Which explains the fossil records etc.

2) What is '6 days' to God? Time has no meaning to God. Six days for God could easily be 6 billion years for us mortal humans.

Disclaimer: This is only my opinion on these matters.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207858,00.html


"U.S. Lags Behind Europe, Japan, in Acceptance of Evolution".

interesting.


EDIT: I just read how they tested the understanding of biology and genetics on these cultures. Americans got the lowest score for having an understanding of either. How embarrassing.

Posted by jukebox fuckup http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207858,00.html "U.S. Lags Behind Europe, Japan, in Acceptance of Evolution". interesting. EDIT: I just read how they tested the understanding of biology and genetics on these cultures. Americans got the lowest score for having an understanding of either. How embarrassing.

I will never understand how people worry or give a shit about how well we compare to other nations on certain things. Ask Japan and Europe how good we are at making bombs. After all, science has NEVER been wrong.

Posted by jeepdave I will never understand how people worry or give a shit about how well we compare to other nations on certain things. Ask Japan and Europe how good we are at making bombs. After all, science has NEVER been wrong.

Of course science has been wrong. You can't have science without mistakes. Learning from them is how we progress. I think the point of comparing our knowledge to other countries' is to show how A. how inadequate our education system is and; B. How little education and knowledge is valued in our society.

Re: the actual issue of this thread, I think a lot of it revolves on whether people accept the proof or not. There have been a lot of things that have been proven, but people still don't accept them as real or true. I won't go into them, just because I don't want this to disintegrate into an argument about those things.

Posted by MutantMandias Figure out how to kill Him.

He'd see you coming, whatever plan you devised. Then you'd really be fucked. Better to make friends with him (Him). Don't pester him too much with your silly incidental questions, the boring one's like "When will I die" "Why won't supermodels fuck me" "What's tomorrow's jackpot number" "Who will win the Superbowl for the next forty years and what's the point-spread on each game" because He has much more complicated things on His mind. Live simply and in awe of everything He's ever done, or hasn't done but will someday, or won't but could if He wanted. Whatever.

If He (he) doesn't exist, party like it's 1999, but without the fear of Y2K paranoia.

Bah. God doesn't respect you if you don't try too kill Him.

"The other gods! The other gods! The gods of the outer hells that guard the feeble gods of earth!... Look away... Go back... Do not see! Do not see! The vengeance of the infinite abysses... That cursed, that damnable pit... Merciful gods of earth, I am falling into the sky!"

Posted by jeepdave I will never understand how people worry or give a shit about how well we compare to other nations on certain things. Ask Japan and Europe how good we are at making bombs. After all, science has NEVER been wrong.

Science has been wrong, hence why the scientific community constantly re-evaluate, attempt to replicate findings and undergo rigorous peer reviews... to knock out the junk and find the stronger evidence.

the questions asked to gauge knowledge of genetics were true or false questions, one of which asked "all plants and animals have DNA". It's not like they were expecting rocket science!

I just realized the link that I tried to post was broken
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207858,00.html <-- if this doesn't work, then you'll hafta copy & paste

Posted by rainman8889 Yeah, I can see it happening as well. Most likely, God would probably step in and tell us all to smarten up, behave ourselves and play nice or He'll get real mad and kick our asses!

Some people claim space aliens said the same thing.

Posted by Oryx Some people claim space aliens said the same thing.

Good call! There really isn't that much difference between traditional religions and UFO groups. Jesus lives on Venus btw.


http://www.aetherius.org/

Posted by earthworm Good call! There really isn't that much difference between traditional religions and UFO groups. Jesus lives on Venus btw. http://www.aetherius.org/

Whenever people of a major/mainstreamed religion faith bash other faiths... 'cause individuals that do not adhere to a religious faith has no reason to not view the major with any more credit than... lets say Mormons or Scientologists. Not to single out either (faith? religion?), but the mainstream religions tend to view them as nutters

Accept it. Follow the facts - that's science for you