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Foglight rewiring help
< on 5/7/2010 5:41 PM >
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I hate that that my factory installed fog-lights don't receive power unless the headlights are on too. To me that defeats the purpose of fog lights because with the headlights on, you're getting blinded by light reflecting off the fog back to your eyes canceling out the benefit of the fog lights illuminating underneath the fog. I'm sure it's so that retards don't go driving around in normal conditions with just their fog lamps on, but as far as I can tell, I'm not that dumb.

With some trial and error of removing fuses and general googling I can tell that when the headlights are turned on, there's an electrical line split off of that circuit that passes on power to the fog lights.

The switch for the fog lights always works regardless. But power isn't passed to the fog lights unless the headlights are on. I need to find a way to power the fogs independently of the headlights and not over-power the fogs when the headlights are turned on as well.


In a simple diagram
(without true polarity shown or return lines back to the battery completing the circuits):



Power Source
|
|
<Head light Switch> <Fog Light Switch>
| \
| \
| \
[Headlight Fuse] \
| \
|-------------------[Fog Light Fuse]----------Fog Lights
|
|
HeadLights



My idea so far is this:
-Get some "fuse taps" from Radio Shack which allow you to attach a wire to a terminal of a fuse so that you can either 'steal' power from the circuit or inject more power depending on how it's wired.
-Replace the fog light fuse with a dead/broken fuse so they're guaranteed not to receive power from the headlights any more
-Connect a tap wire on to the load side of the fog light fuse -- the side going to the lights.
-Connect a tap wire onto another device of the same amperage which I don't use/have on my car like rear wiper or heated seats. Connect the tap to the feed side of this non-broken fuse so that it's on the side receiving power from the power source for the heated seats.
-When powered up the tap on the fog light fuse should be dead regardless if the head lights are on or not and the tap on the heated seats should be hot.
-Wire the two taps together with a fuse between them so that the fog lights are still protected.
-Foglights should now be independently wired off of something unused but still with power (or possibly something used - I'm not sure).



Close up of fuse taps:


Entire assembly with a fuse in the middle. For example left side being the dead foglight fuse and the right being an active fuse.



When done the wiring would look like:



Power Source----------[Heated Seat Fuse]---------->To non-existent seat heaters
| | (tap on feed side)
| |
<Head light Switch> \ <Fog Light Switch>
| [New Fuse] \
| | \
| | \
[Headlight Fuse] \ \
| (tap on load) \ \
|-------------------[Fog Light Fuse]--------------Fog Lights
|
|
HeadLights










SO... I haven't done any past wiring work like this in a car. Only basics like hooking up stereos or speakers and disabling annoying door/seatbelt sensors, etc.

Does it seem like this idea would work? What am I missing?

Thanks.
-t




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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 1 on 5/7/2010 7:07 PM >
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I "think" it will work. I would have just pulled the fog light fuse, ran a jumper from a fuse that is "always on" on the block to the correct side of the fog light fuse.




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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 2 on 5/7/2010 7:25 PM >
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I "think" it will work. I would have just pulled the fog light fuse, ran a jumper from a fuse that is "always on" on the block to the correct side of the fog light fuse.


Thanks.

I think we're talking about the exact same thing then. The only difference is many more words.

Edit: Except I'd also be including a fuse to still protect the fogs instead of totally bypassing the one they're currently using.



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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 3 on 5/7/2010 8:53 PM >
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trent, have you tried just turning on the parking lights? most of my cars if you turn on the parking lights alone the foglights work.




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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 4 on 5/7/2010 8:55 PM >
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Posted by trent


Thanks.

I think we're talking about the exact same thing then. The only difference is many more words.

Edit: Except I'd also be including a fuse to still protect the fogs instead of totally bypassing the one they're currently using.


Without knowing what kind of car you have (not sure knowing would help, actually), your second diagram looks like it would cause the fogs to be on all the time unless the switch provides the ground. It would need to be a heavy duty switch if that were the case.

In some vehicles the fogs are controlled by a relay that is activated when the headlights or parking lights are on. Depending on the vehicle, that relay could be before or after the fog light switch.

Give a year, make and model and I'll bet me or someone else here could find an actual schematic and give you better advice.





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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 5 on 5/7/2010 9:44 PM >
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headlight circuits these days are nuts, my sunfire would wire the high beams in series to make DRL's basically depending on how the switch is ground moves!




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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 6 on 5/7/2010 10:39 PM >
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headlight circuits these days are nuts, my sunfire would wire the high beams in series to make DRL's basically depending on how the switch is ground moves!


That's right. My old DD Grand Am is the same way.





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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 7 on 5/8/2010 12:47 AM >
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trent, have you tried just turning on the parking lights? most of my cars if you turn on the parking lights alone the foglights work.


You scared the fck outta me with your post as I had just gotten back from the store with the parts for the job. It'd been a good year or two since I determined I wanted to hack the fog lamps but never got around to it. But I still did end up rushing out to the car (('07 hyundai elantra)shut it, dun wanna hear it from you car guys) to confirm the fogs won't function without the actual head lights on, not just the parking lights.

But it's all for nothing because I bought the fuse taps for the 'normal' fuses appx 3/4" in width instead of the appx 3/8" to 1/2" ones in the box under the hood which is what I'm actually working with.




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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 8 on 5/8/2010 1:12 AM >
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(('07 hyundai elantra)shut it, dun wanna hear it from you car guys)


It's really too bad that folks have to feel defensive about their cars.

I can't do anymore tonight, I've got friends over. No doubt someone who doesn't judge you by the car you drive will give you you a hand. If not, I'll be here tomorrow.





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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 9 on 5/8/2010 1:15 AM >
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Without knowing what kind of car you have, your second diagram looks like it would cause the fogs to be on all the time unless the switch provides the ground.

Thanks for the feedback. I admittedly don't have a voltmeter at the moment so my schematics (obvisouly way incorrect) are based off of the Googling of other similar foreign car with me pulling certain to confirm the general wiring layout.

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In some vehicles the fogs are controlled by a relay that is activated when the headlights or parking lights are on. Depending on the vehicle, that relay could be before or after the fog light switch.

My fog relay is definitely activated by the headlights (confirmed not at all with parking lights)

As for the location of the f/l relay being before/after the the f/l switch, I'm just going to keep my fingers crosses.





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< Reply # 10 on 5/8/2010 6:34 PM >
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Trent

I couldn't find a schematic for your car.

So, I offer this:



That would be a workable fog light setup. Keep in mind that this probably doesn't look anything like what you have (especially the dimmer switch circuit).

The change you would have to make in the above drawing would be to remove the wire to the fog switch from the 'fog control' relay and apply power to it. I would use power from a source that's fused and only on in 'run'.

I doubt that this helps a great deal but, maybe it will give you some ideas as to what you can do.




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Re: Foglight rewiring help
< Reply # 11 on 5/9/2010 11:46 AM >
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Thanks guys. The project is slightly on hold while I'm travelling this weekend. Also, the fuse tap I bought (the nicer kind that plugs into the fuse slot, allows you to add two more fuses doesn't seem to be allowing electricity to pass though it thus not letting my always-on device I need running to run. Even when it's not hooked up to anything yet. I need hit it with the voltmeter to see wtf is going on.




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Be careful were you tap into the fuse block..Some wires my be to small for the load.......You could end up melting the wiring loom. My buddy did it on his jeep..Me ending up fixing it for him




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< Reply # 13 on 2/1/2011 10:35 PM >
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whats year/make/model here? i'll have the schematic and put one together for you that wont risk burning your car to the ground.




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