Islam flies you into a building...

Posted by Mr_Fiend Islam Fundamentalism flies you into a building...or spawns modern christian crusades like Eric Prince's Blackwatwer, now XE. Fixt

I could easily twist this around and say science gave them the tools to fly into buildings, not religion.


I'm all for taking a crack at us believers, most of us have a sense of humor. But this one just seems weak. Sorry.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Islam flies you into a building...

_{Psst, Islam is a religion.}

I could easily twist this around and say science gave them the tools to fly into buildings, not religion.

Exactly, which is what makes it even more ironic.

It's not religion but insanity that will fly you into a building. There are a lot of believers (of many different religions) who if they were told to fly into a building would tell you what you can do with yourself.

Hahahaha, oh dear, that's too funny. I might have been offended if I weren't laughing so hard.

But on a serious note, science and religion both started as ideas or beliefs of HUMAN BEINGS.

So I wouldn't blame either of them for the people flying into buildings. I'd blame the people who flew into the buildings.

People can abuse and do horrible things with both science and religion.


So now we don't have to argue about which one it evil, and we can go back to laughing at that hilarious ad.

Is that real?? And if yes, who had the balls to run it?

Posted by Dresden Hahahaha, oh dear, that's too funny. I might have been offended if I weren't laughing so hard. But on a serious note, science and religion both started as ideas or beliefs of HUMAN BEINGS. So I wouldn't blame either of them for the people flying into buildings. I'd blame the people who flew into the buildings. People can abuse and do horrible things with both science and religion. So now we don't have to argue about which one it evil, and we can go back to laughing at that hilarious ad. Is that real?? And if yes, who had the balls to run it?

It looks British. There have been a series of anti-religion placards on British buses lately.

This 8 minute talk gives some insight into the minds and motives of suicide bombers. It is really tragic, and I think in a lot of cases, our anger needs to be focused not so much on the bombers, and more on the people who brainwash them.

http://www.ted.com...icide_bombers.html

This is a little different situation from the educated and more mature perpetrators of 9/11, but I think it's pertinent.

Read Terror in the Mind of God for better insight into religious violence.\

Covers Christian, Islamic, and Buddhist terrorist acts.


http://www.amazon....tive/dp/0520232062

Let's be clear about this: the airplanes did not fly themselves into buildings, not did suicide bombs detonate themselves. This was about unreasonable ideas.

Christians and their attendant unreasonable beliefs led to the crusades, the inquisition, the holocaust, and the salem wich trials, among other things. But christianity is a dubious threat since the reformation, especially when considered in the light of literalist islam.

There was no secular humanists hijacking planes, and you don's see a lot of jains blowing themselves up. Some specific unreasonable ideas may be more dangerous than others.

Islamozombies are the greatest threat to peace and security in the world today. Not because of technology, but because of unreasonable beliefs about the nature of the universe.

Islam is NOT a religion of peace:

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypoctrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." Koran 9:73

"believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous" Koran 9:123

The entire koran and most of the hadith are devoted to disrespecting unbelievers and lay a perfect foundation for religious conflict.

Consider this: Those men were all educated, and higher class, sheltered from the poverty and hardship of the arab world, yet still they murdered thousands. Would those douchebags have crashed planes into anything if they did not believe one or more of the following?

1. They will be martyred and survive thier own death to go to paradise - and they can bring the entire family too?

2. The west consists of evil unbelievers whos culture leads thier loved ones astray from the path of god?

3. That "god" is on thier side?

Islam is bad for the world, but not because of people, but because of unreasonable ideas.

The only solution is to start to demand a higher standard of evidence and intellectual honesty from ourselves.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Islam flies you into a building...

Christianity invades your continent and eradicates your entire people, destroys your culture, enslaves your identity (a la Disney, et al and their mindless 'adaptations' of your history) and GETS RICH WHILE DOING IT.

(it also fucks your sons when you send them to summer camp)

Posted by KublaKhan Christianity invades your continent and eradicates your entire people, destroys your culture, enslaves your identity (a la Disney, et al and their mindless 'adaptations' of your history) and GETS RICH WHILE DOING IT. (it also fucks your sons when you send them to summer camp)

We win.

By 2020 france will be a predominantly muslim nation.

Canada is not far behind.

Who wins?

Posted by tekriter By 2020 france will be a predominantly muslim nation. Canada is not far behind. Who wins?

Well, the Christians are the only large force strongly against the muslims, so I guess for you its a matter of picking your poison ;)

two wrongs don't make a right.

I would rather hang out with christians, thanks to the reformation and such, however the causes of those upheavals in the church were due to the unstoppable force of reason. This alone should give us hope.

Posted by tekriter two wrongs don't make a right. I would rather hang out with christians, thanks to the reformation and such, however the causes of those upheavals in the church were due to the unstoppable force of reason. This alone should give us hope.

So is the Reformation the reason we don't have as many Christian terrorists? I'm asking seriously.

I'd say it was a major step, yes.


Most major religions have some sort of upheaval around 1500 yrs, lkie x-tianity and judaism.

The x-tian church has had many - but many contributed to, or were caused by the reformation.

The reformation took place between Martin Luther posting his notice on the church doors in 1517 and ended with the treaty of Wesphalia that ended a century of religious warfare. It had to do with protesting church corruption, outdated doctrines and dogma.

After that we don't see anything like the crusades of the 11th, 12th, and 13th century or the Inquisition that started in 1478 and the Roman inquisition that began in 1542.

Gallileo famously contradicted Copernicus and the church in 1616 and tore down the eath-centric view of the solar system.

There has to be some mechanism that allows for the religion to continue while reconciling a growing knowledge of the universe and greater wealth and freedom.

The jewish revolt of the Maccabees in BCE 167 was the world's first religious war and indeed a critical civil war between the jews with different ideas.

Hinduism was organized into various schools around the same time frame, and so on...

Islam has not done that yet. Remember for Islam it is the year 1431. Someone is going to ask why no one has seen a winged horse are found any evidence.

Posted by tekriter Islam has not done that yet. Remember for Islam it is the year 1431. Someone is going to ask why no one has seen a winged horse are found any evidence.

Thanks for the info. One thing that may be holding Islam back is that there isn't a single authority like the Catholic church. I wonder if the sectarian conflict in Iraq will grow into a larger religious war after US troops leave.

Hasn't it already?

The arabic/islamic term for those countries or areas that are not controlled by islam is dar al-Harb: literally "house of war".

dar-al-Islam is the muslim world - or "house of peace".

In this context "religion of peace" seems to make sense, otherwise it a deceptive little piece of cover used in western nations to make islam seem a little less threatening.