Only two more days until burn a Koran day!

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This is awesome.


What does it say about christianity that this sort of douche is tolerated?

On the other hand, what does it say about Islam, that these idiotic bumpkins are burning some books will "endanger lives".

I would think that if group a burned group b's book, group b could at best ignore them, or at worst burn group a's book. For how come killing folks and having a riot is considered a normal response to this?

Maybe Islam is NOT a religion of peace.

Oh, well if that didn't make you crack a smile:

http://www.theonio...-converts-to-islam,754/

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Posted by Mr_Fiend Already in discussion http://www.uer.ca/...d=1&threadid=83864

Yeah, I typically don't go in there anymore. I followed the link without realizing where it went though. I had thought that it would be impossible to have any less respect for you, but I was wrong.

Posted by MutantMandias I had thought that it would be impossible to have any less respect for you, but I was wrong.

Ha, well obviously we are two very different people there cupcake ;)

Posted by Mr_Fiend Ha, well obviously we are two very different people there cupcake ;)

OK, Fiend, here's a hypothetical question for you: how would you feel if a mosque somewhere (in the US or overseas, doesn't matter) had a Burn the Bible day?

Please understand, I'm not asking this because I think it's wrong to burn the Koran because Muslims might get upset, or whatever. Just curious.

Posted by splumer OK, Fiend, here's a hypothetical question for you: how would you feel if a mosque somewhere (in the US or overseas, doesn't matter) had a Burn the Bible day?

I wouldnt lose sleep over it, certainly wouldnt kill people over it. To me, burning the Bible is no different than people saying God does not exist and I'm a fool, (which I hear almost daily in TV and the internet). Its just a book, yes it contains Gods Word, but it isn't God, its just an object, the only thing we are suppose to worship is God, not a book. The bible is just a guide book. Thats my opinion anyways.

The bible gets "burned" daily in the form of its mockery, I expect that. Do I want it to be burned, no, of course not, but I wont hold it against anyone who does. Its called being forgiving and a good example of the abused term "turn the other cheek".

The world burns the bible, and Christians just sigh and shake their heads and ask God to forgive them. Christians burn the koran and muslims get angry (some to the point of violence). Read the writing on the wall here folks.

I saw this on TV yesterday. I had to turn it off before my mind melted.

I don't think I can really say anything anymore. I've amounted to just shaking my head in disgust at it all. I've given up on this country. I don't think there's much left worth being proud of.

This stuff has been going on for thousands of years, it will be a part of life until we destroy ourselves. You probably should just stop watching TV period if you cant handle it, because it WILL get worse.

Whether you guys believe in God or religion, you are eventually going to get caught up in the middle of all this religious/personal beliefs type fights and battles.

I guarantee that I could get death threats if I planned a well publicized Bible burning.

Maybe not from you, but from of your extremest friends, and as we all know, you all just believe the same thing.

Posted by MutantMandias I guarantee that I could get death threats if I planned a well publicized Bible burning. Maybe not from you, but from of your extremest friends, and as we all know, you all just believe the same thing.

Those death threats would be the result of a fleshly hatred towards people, God does not teach that. Any actions a Christians would take to kill people burning bibles, would not be sanctioned by God. Allah is the one who teaches his followers to make war with unbelievers (or also people who burn korans). God does not teach this.

There is your difference, one of thousands. We do NOT believe the same thing. A child could realize that by the simple reading of both books.

That is your interpretation. That has not always been the prevailing interpretation of Christians or the Christian church.

So what you are saying is that you are a Christian that fully understands the beliefs and what their intentions are, and have been a part of the church for years? Because you couldnt possibly know that unless you have spent time studying the word of God and being around "church folk".

Tell me then, why do muslims hate Christians if we have the same beliefs?
Why do muslims call "God" "Allah"? Why do muslims not believe Jesus was the son of God? Why aren't muslims called christians? Why dont christians believe or acknowledge muhammad? Why is it called a mosque and not a church? Why must muslims travel to mecca and not christians? You apparently know all the answers to these questions, so please, tell me.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Tell me then, why do muslims hate Christians if we have the same beliefs? Why do muslims call "God" "Allah"? Why do muslims not believe Jesus was the son of God? Why aren't muslims called christians? Why dont christians believe or acknowledge muhammad? Why is it called a mosque and not a church? Why must muslims travel to mecca and not christians? You apparently know all the answers to these questions, so please, tell me.

"Allah" is Arabic for "god," in the same way that "gott" is German for "god."

Re: the death threats, yeah, you'd get them, and you might get a rock through your window, but I don't think anyone would actually try to kill you.

Actually, I don't think any holy books should be burned; I think they should be recycled.

Posted by splumer "Allah" is Arabic for "god," in the same way that "gott" is German for "god."

Ok, so you answered the easiest question. Still "Allah" is a single god, as described in the koran. God, the God of the Christians is a trinity, as described in the bible, or often repeated by the catholics "the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit". Same word, not the same God.

Posted by splumer I think they should be recycled

Dadgum hippy, ha

Posted by Mr_Fiend So what you are saying is that you are a Christian that fully understands the beliefs and what their intentions are, and have been a part of the church for years? Because you couldnt possibly know that unless you have spent time studying the word of God and being around "church folk".

What the fuck are you talking about? I do not have to be any of things to know that Christianity has had violent and persecutory past.
But I have been around church folk. I went to an extremely Christian school for 13 years. When I was there, teachers had to sign a contract that they were born-again to be able to teach there. I find it pleasing that a few years after I left, ivy league colleges started to threaten not to accept students from the school unless that policy was changed. But in my time I was well versed with courses in both the new and old testaments.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Ok, so you answered the easiest question. Still "Allah" is a single god, as described in the koran. God, the God of the Christians is a trinity, as described in the bible, or often repeated by the catholics "the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit".

But, you see, that whole trinity thing is where you guys really lost ALL credibility. You realize that stuff was made up with no input from your god, right? For essentially political reasons.

I really find it more and more difficult to believe that you are not just making up this whole simpleton character that you're portraying.

Posted by MutantMandias But I have been around church folk. I went to an extremely Christian school for 13 years.

How did I know you would say that... I'm sorry you got burnt out on something that should bring you joy IF you accept it. But after all, it is a choice. But you better hope you are right, because if you are wrong, God will really hold you accountable because you have known the truth for a loooong time but chose to dissobey.

Now I'm starting to understand you. HOPEFULLY, we can find some common ground here and I can quit lighting your fuse everytime I speak.

Posted by MutantMandias But, you see, that whole trinity thing is where you guys really lost ALL credibility. You realize that stuff was made up with no input from your god, right? For essentially political reasons.

Who on earth has been feeding you that bull shit? So now your saying for my fake belief to be true, my fake god must put in his fake input to justify it???
That hurts my head to think about. So God refers to his Spirit and son in the bible just for shits and giggles?

And political reasons, what? What possible political reasons could there be behind "creating" this thing called the "Holy Spirit"?

Why are you arguing about details in a belief that you dont even believe in? And then try and support that argument with the assumption that you must belief in God to make your point? I'm not quite sure what chaos theory is, but I think you are making a good approach at it.

I say let'er-rip. But then give Iran exactly one chance to detonate a nuclear device on US soil, and select The Dove Center for Whatever as the blast site.

(secondary site, Topika Kansas)

I'm sure you'd agree that this is mutually beneficial.


Allah Akbar

Posted by Mr_Fiend How did I know you would say that... I'm sorry you got burnt out on something that should bring you joy IF you accept it.

And I knew that you would say that, and that you would be wrong again when you did.
I was not burnt out on Christianity, I have never held ill will toward Christians as a result of any kind of mistreatment or oppression from my schooling. I just recognized that it was all silly and senseless from a very early age. I got along just fine there without any contention. I just knew that the beliefs were kind of dumb, but in a relatively harmless way.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Now I'm starting to understand you. HOPEFULLY, we can find some common ground here

I really doubt it.

Posted by Mr_Fiend So now your saying for my fake belief to be true, my fake god must put in his fake input to justify it??? That hurts my head to think about.

You're not the only one. It is truly brain numbing to try to think about why you believe the things that you do.

Posted by Mr_Fiend And political reasons, what? What possible political reasons could there be behind "creating" this thing called the "Holy Spirit"?

To consolidate power and control by uniting various early Christian groups that believed vastly different things. It was, as most Christian tools have been, a bastardization of pagan concepts in order to gain a larger foothold by incorporating ideas that were familiar to non-believers. The phrases used in the Bible really don't justify an idea of a trinity in any way, but it worked out nicely as they culled together various texts over the years to be compiled into what is now known as the Bible, since some well meaning religious leaders didn't like the spreading notion that Jesus should be worshiped as a god.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Why are you arguing about details in a belief that you dont even believe in? And then try and support that argument with the assumption that you must belief in God to make your point? I'm not quite sure what chaos theory is, but I think you are making a good approach at it.

The only thing that I am arguing against is the idea that one could logically argue anything based on the Bible.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Tell me then, why do muslims hate Christians if we have the same beliefs? Why do muslims call "God" "Allah"? Why do muslims not believe Jesus was the son of God? Why aren't muslims called christians? Why dont christians believe or acknowledge muhammad? Why is it called a mosque and not a church? Why must muslims travel to mecca and not christians? You apparently know all the answers to these questions, so please, tell me.

OK, here are your answers:
1. Not all Muslims hate Christians. Only a few. The reverse is also true. They do not have the same beliefs, just like Jews and the other two do not have the same beliefs, but believe in the same god.

2. See previous post

3. AFAIK, Islam has no concept of the messiah. They do believe, however, that Jesus was one of his prophets.

4. Because they don't follow Christ.

More later.

Posted by MutantMandias To consolidate power and control by uniting various early Christian groups that believed vastly different things. It was, as most Christian tools have been, a bastardization of pagan concepts in order to gain a larger foothold by incorporating ideas that were familiar to non-believers. The phrases used in the Bible really don't justify an idea of a trinity in any way, but it worked out nicely as they culled together various texts over the years to be compiled into what is now known as the Bible, since some well meaning religious leaders didn't like the spreading notion that Jesus should be worshiped as a god.

I'm sorry you feel that way, almost treating recorded history as some sort of conspiracy theory. That "theory" was just made up so as to give people just one more reason to discredit the bible. But again, choose what want to believe, I'm not gonna stop ya.