Posted by Mr_Fiend I generally agree with your first paragraph. The second paragraph is biased based on your own pond water suckage ;)

oh really?

Posted by Samurai oh really?

Yeah, it really is Sam. You don't have all the answers either, no matter how much you wish you did.

Posted by jeepdave Yeah, it really is Sam. You don't have all the answers either, no matter how much you wish you did.

your faith has about as much substance as Alice in Wonderland... the only difference being Alice In Wonderland was a better read.

Posted by Samurai your faith has about as much substance as Alice in Wonderland... the only difference being Alice In Wonderland was a better read.

What year is it? Oh yeah, and who's life is that year based off of, you can't escape it. Muh hahahahah

Posted by Mr_Fiend How do you prove something that was never seen? No one saw the "big bang". Not to mention it apparently happened billions of years ago. Ya'll pound Christians for not being able to prove that God exists because no one has seen Him. Proving that particles that came from nowhere and suddenly formed, compressed, and exploded, and then formed matter is idiotic. Mainly because something somehow came from nothing and created everything somehow. Lol and you laugh at the idea of a supreme being created this perfectly balanced universe. Please...

Plenty of things can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that weren't seen. Crimes, for example. Crimes are routinely prosecuted where no one (besides the criminal and perhaps a victim) were present, based on EVIDENCE. And because you don't understand it (I don't claim to understand it fully myself), doesn't mean it didn't happen.

For a better explanation, try reading this:
http://blog.case.e...or_beginners/index

It's quite long, and rather technical, but it explains it better than I ever could.

Posted by jeepdave What year is it? Oh yeah, and who's life is that year based off of, you can't escape it. Muh hahahahah

maybe we can get the whole Stardate thing to work and shitcan AD and BC entirely.
that would suit me just fine.

Posted by jeepdave What year is it? Oh yeah, and who's life is that year based off of, you can't escape it. Muh hahahahah

According to this web site:
http://clevelandjewishnews.com/
The year is 5771. So there!

Posted by splumer According to this web site: http://clevelandjewishnews.com/ The year is 5771. So there!

AH HAH!

Posted by splumer According to this web site: http://clevelandjewishnews.com/ The year is 5771. So there!

Lol, yeah but that just doesnt roll of the tongue very well, but on a plus side, most of us would be rollin in a 60's car right now. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

So, hows about this...


Scientists can be wrong about their assumptions, observations, and/or conclusions. They have methods, practices, and procedures designed to deal with these situations, and specifically for challenging assumptions, observations, and conclusions in lots of ways so that they can be identified as false. Also, and this is key, if it could not possibly be verified as false, then it cannot be considered true. There is also a constantly expanding body of evidence and new knowledge supporting ideas that are true and helping to define what is false.

Religions can be wrong about assumptions, observations, and/or conclusions. It is specifically designed to ignore and dismiss any errors or internal inconsistencies. There are times that religious leaders do eventually come out and change interpretations and policies, but those changes are not the result of any new religious evidence or knowledge. They are the result of re-interpreting the exact same information in a new way. Why were they wrong before? Why have they changed their minds now? Because everyone in the world already knew that they were wrong, usually as a result of science having shown the truth.

Posted by MutantMandias Religions can be wrong about assumptions, observations, and/or conclusions. It is specifically designed to ignore and dismiss any errors or internal inconsistencies. There are times that religious leaders do eventually come out and change interpretations and policies, but those changes are not the result of any new religious evidence or knowledge. They are the result of re-interpreting the exact same information in a new way. Why were they wrong before? Why have they changed their minds now? Because everyone in the world already knew that they were wrong, usually as a result of science having shown the truth.

You are correct, in the fact that organized religions have such fallacies. The catholic church is the main one to blame for turning people away from science because of their own special interests of wanting people to blindly follow the church (so the church can gain money and power) instead of following God.

My beliefs also do no conform to any organized religion at all. I was taught to embrace science. And I learned on my own how ludicrous evolution and "the big bang THEORY" was, regardless of my belief in God. You dont have to believe in God to see insane it is to believe perfection came from chaos and chaos came from something that was just there apparently. Incredible. Evolution, the greatest "miracle" of all time.

Well, for anything to exist, it HAS to be created. So, even if you don't believe in a God, you should still allow for the existence of a creator of some sort. Matter did not spawn into existence like a video game, it had to be made. But from what, and by who/what is a big question.

Posted by Mr_Fiend My beliefs also do no conform to any organized religion at all. I was taught to embrace science. And I learned on my own how ludicrous evolution and "the big bang THEORY" was, regardless of my belief in God. You dont have to believe in God to see insane it is to believe perfection came from chaos and chaos came from something that was just there apparently. Incredible. Evolution, the greatest "miracle" of all time.

You keep saying things like that, and yet I don't remember ever reading any details about how exactly you learned on your own how ludicrous these things are ... the things that have the peer-reviewed support of the entire scientific community. Truly, the only conclusion is that you are god.

Posted by jeepdave Well, for anything to exist, it HAS to be created.

Prove it.

Posted by jeepdave So, even if you don't believe in a God, you should still allow for the existence of a creator of some sort.

Did I ever say that I didn't? For that matter, has science ever said that it didn't? No, science has never said that there is not "a creator of some sort."

Posted by jeepdave Matter did not spawn into existence like a video game, it had to be made.

Quaint. Religion really is all about choosing the simple answers for the simple questions. If you think "the way God works is mysterious," you would really be blown away by how mysterious reality can be.

Posted by jeepdave But from what, and by who/what is a big question.

Yes, exactly right. And those questions are precisely the type of things that should be investigated and answered by science, not a book which was written primarily between the formation and collapse of the Mayan empire.

Posted by MutantMandias You keep saying things like that, and yet I don't remember ever reading any details about how exactly you learned on your own how ludicrous these things are ...

I'm sorry


Merriam-Webster

Common Sense: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts

^ that tells me evolution and the "big bang" are theories based on secular scientists who detest God and Christians, such as Darwin. I also just previously explained why I say its nuts.

Intentions are everything. I try to disprove evolution because I dont want you to be deceived, and you and other secular people alike want to disprove creationism because its "offensive" and they hate anything related to God. One intention is based on love, the other is based on detest for anything Godly.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Merriam-Webster Common Sense: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts

I'm glad you enjoy living on a flat earth that is the center of the universe.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Intentions are everything. I try to disprove evolution because I dont want you to be deceived, and you and other secular people alike want to disprove creationism because its "offensive" and they hate anything related to God. One intention is based on love, the other is based on detest for anything Godly.

Sigh. Again, you attribute everyone else's actions to hate. You need help.

Is it Satan that is selling evolution to us heathens so that he can devour our delicious souls in hell?

Posted by MutantMandias I'm glad you enjoy living on a flat earth that is the center of the universe.

Did we not just discuss that such fallicies were the result of the catholic church and other organizations shunning science?

Posted by MutantMandias Sigh. Again, you attribute everyone else's actions to hate. You need help.

You have made the strong impression that you hate God, especially since you were taught about Him and refuse to believe him and disobey Him. Thats the case with the majoraty of people who have your same argument, so yes I do attribute such things as an utter detest of anything from God.

Posted by MutantMandias Is it Satan that is selling evolution to us heathens so that he can devour our delicious souls in hell?

You went to a fancy Christian school, you tell me.

Posted by Mr_Fiend You have made the strong impression that you hate God, especially since you were taught about Him and refuse to believe him and disobey Him. Thats the case with the majoraty of people who have your same argument, so yes I do attribute such things as an utter detest of anything from God.

Hate god? Hard to hate something that doesn't exist. The hate comes from self righteous religious wingnuts telling us we are wrong and need to be saved. Your bible is a lie. Flat out. To even begin to think that a "god" would be as simple to understand as him being some dude in the sky is delusional. All of existence is much bigger then the mind can possibly conceive. What is to say that the big bang and god are the same thing? That there are things going on in realms higher than this gross animal realm that is beyond all comprehension? To contain the infinite in a finite box is crazy. As such, all subscribers to the idea of only one way are crazy. As Jeepdave said: One "lord" many ways to get there. Another way to see it: The universe is infinite no matter where you view it from. So get off your high horse.

Wowsy McWowwow.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Did we not just discuss that such fallicies were the result of the catholic church and other organizations shunning science?

Common sense would tell you that you are on a flat earth and in the center of the universe. The Catholic church didn't come up with those ideas, but they accepted them, as most people did, and incorporated them into their beliefs. When those "common sense beliefs" were challenged, they took it as an attack on all of their beliefs.

Posted by Mr_Fiend You have made the strong impression that you hate God, especially since you were taught about Him and refuse to believe him and disobey Him. Thats the case with the majoraty of people who have your same argument, so yes I do attribute such things as an utter detest of anything from God.

I don't hate God any more then I hate the tooth fairy. I was taught about Judeo-Christian ethics and found them to be a pretty good starting place for how to live you life; definitely lacking in some areas, but extensible with ideas from other sources.

Posted by Mr_Fiend You went to a fancy Christian school, you tell me.

Wowsy. You have some issues to deal with.

You said that you didn't want people to be deceived by evolution, because it is a ludicrous lie. I can only assume that Satan is responsible for the fact that so many people have been seduced into believing it. I feel so naughty.

Posted by MutantMandias I feel so naughty.

You should, you evil little boy. You've been real bad.

Posted by Mr_Fiend You have made the strong impression that you hate God, especially since you were taught about Him and refuse to believe him and disobey Him. Thats the case with the majoraty of people who have your same argument, so yes I do attribute such things as an utter detest of anything from God.

no no no silly... i don't hate god, because god doesn't exist. His fucking minions on the other hand, that is another enchilada entirely... they do bring out the best in me.