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| | | | | Re: "The Right Arm of the Free World" < Reply # 6 on 7/17/2011 4:31 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by etchleon Heavy, brutal recoil, physically too big for some people, piss poor accuracy when fired rapidly cause the muzzle climbs like hell and heavy cartridges that limit the tolerable load out of ammunition, lack of modularity in design, absence of ability to mount grenade launcher, illumination or other accessories.
| Heavy is a matter of perspective. Brutal recoil? A Hell of a lot less than my .30-06 deer rifle. Piss poor accuracy is a result of piss poor training. ANY weapon can be fired accurately in full auto if the operator is properly trained in its use. I seem to remember a Sgt. Major Snoxall of the British Army who put 20 rounds in a 10" circle on full auto at 300 yards during testing. How does modularity in design mean anything in its effectiveness? And as for the last, any competent weapons designer could put a picatinny rail system on the FN. Someone probably already has. Need I point out that conditions in A-stan and Iraq have already caused the US military to break out a number of the old .308 (7.62x51) systems, because the piss ant .223 (5.56x45) cartridge just won't get the job done at long range or through heavy cover?
| I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread. |
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Location: toronto today... Gender: Male Total Likes: 4 likes
E Tenebris Lux
| | | Re: "The Right Arm of the Free World" < Reply # 10 on 7/22/2011 9:36 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Jonsered
Heavy is a matter of perspective. Brutal recoil? A Hell of a lot less than my .30-06 deer rifle. Piss poor accuracy is a result of piss poor training. ANY weapon can be fired accurately in full auto if the operator is properly trained in its use. I seem to remember a Sgt. Major Snoxall of the British Army who put 20 rounds in a 10" circle on full auto at 300 yards during testing. How does modularity in design mean anything in its effectiveness? And as for the last, any competent weapons designer could put a picatinny rail system on the FN. Someone probably already has.
Need I point out that conditions in A-stan and Iraq have already caused the US military to break out a number of the old .308 (7.62x51) systems, because the piss ant .223 (5.56x45) cartridge just won't get the job done at long range or through heavy cover?
| Heavy is that every extra pound you have to slog up a rock face when its 45 degrees out makes it that much harder and slower. It has brutal recoil in terms a service rifle, not a civilian hunting rifle or a designated marksmen rifle. The key difference is the volume of fire. Getting pounded by a 7.62x51 200 times is more tiring then the light tap of 5.56. tiring leads to less capable riflemen. Yes, you can fire it accurately..to a degree...from 0-300m My memory of the FN was that it was less accurate then c7/AR15/M16/ even when firing at your own pace. (That may of just been cause said FN was baffed and worn out though) Past 300, it was indeed superior in accuracy. Modularity is handy when a component in your weapon fails and you can quickly replace the part. Also reduces logistical work load for the same reason. It also makes cleaning and oiling the weapon easier and faster, reducing the total number of failures. Yes, there are pitcanny sets for the FN..I was speaking of the original design. for long range though cover. My optimal solution would be having one FN/Ar10/M14 per section, plus the medium MG to handle that, and keeping the 5.56 for the closer engagements. What can I say, I prefer the Ar15. I've been over to the sandbox more than once, including as an infantry officer before I switched trades. I had no issues with C7 and found it was a very effective weapon when taking into account all things. The FN is still cool and I can see it having a role, just not as a standard service rifle.
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