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Where's the originality?
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So if some of you haven't noticed, majority of the mainstream music are rip offs of other underground-ish songs. Post the ones you know. Here's what I know so far!

This song


Sampled

This one. (Sample at 3:17)



Imogen Heap is idiotic enough to appreciate Jason Derulo for doing that. She announced that in one of the gramme awards. Though her song is loveleh!



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< Reply # 1 on 6/4/2011 3:04 AM >
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Rip-off:



Original:






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< Reply # 2 on 6/4/2011 4:59 AM >
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I'm probably not going to post this right sorry I like both versions. I'm a flower childs kid so I'm always about CSNY. But I really enjoyed what cypress hill did with this, though the rip they have isn't theirs

so...new (cypress hill)


http://www.youtube...atch?v=fdi7VoAa8rI



and original (CSNY): if you want to hear the "taken" part go to 6 min 25 sec

http://www.youtube...atch?v=J2T0RpkyqUU




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I'm probably not going to post this right sorry I like both versions. I'm a flower childs kid so I'm always about CSNY. But I really enjoyed what cypress hill did with this, though the rip they have isn't theirs

so...new (cypress hill)


http://www.youtube...atch?v=fdi7VoAa8rI



and original (CSNY): if you want to hear the "taken" part go to 6 min 25 sec

http://www.youtube...atch?v=J2T0RpkyqUU


Didn't think Cypress Hill would do that! A little disappointed haha.




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Re: Where's the originality?
< Reply # 4 on 6/4/2011 6:06 PM >
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That Snoop Dogg cover of Riders on the Storm by the doors where almost half the song is just the original by the doors.




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That Snoop Dogg cover of Riders on the Storm by the doors where almost half the song is just the original by the doors.


Haha comes as no surprise! All the rnb scene is about rip off!




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< Reply # 6 on 6/7/2011 2:37 AM >
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apparently jason derulo can't come up with anything without taking from someone else. I, as i mentioned with cypress hill, enjoy some artists sampling from other people. I feel it depends on how it's used. I don't think he uses them to his advantage most of the time. and here's yet another example in case none of you have heard. just heard it on my way home tonight and was like wtf!

my mom was in the car and was like i know that song. I said ya mom it's harry belafonte. I'm a big beetlejuice fan and will always remember this song


new song, jason derulo

it's starts right at the beginning, you'll know it when you hear it, and he continues using the sample all throughout the song....

http://www.youtube...atch?v=2CGF_Z3yZAo


and here's the original by harry belafonte. and since i love this scene, here's his song in beetle juics

http://www.youtube...atch?v=AQXVHITd1N4




Didn't think Cypress Hill would do that! A little disappointed haha.

check out the album thats from. the whole album is sampled music redone by cypress hill. it's not all that bad to tell ya the truth




ps: can someone tell me how to post these so you can actually see the video right in the post instead of having to click the link?

thanks



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You know how the youtube url has the link, copy the numbers after 'watch=' in it's url. And post it like so:

[ youtube='the letters and numbers here' ]


Have both the brackets, the word 'youtube=', the letters and numbers of the link after the = sign and no quotes of course. Also, no spaces at all. Hope it helps!



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ok so now that i know how! thanks Valkyre!

new song, jason derulo

it's starts right at the beginning, you'll know it when you hear it, and he continues using the sample all throughout the song....





and here's the original by harry belafonte. and since i love this scene, here's his song in beetle juice




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ok so now that i know how! thanks Valkyre!

new song, jason derulo

it's starts right at the beginning, you'll know it when you hear it, and he continues using the sample all throughout the song....



You're welcome!

I really loath this 'musician'!
He really (More like, the people that make music for him) can't come up with their own stuff!
Ahh, so unfair on the music scene.




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< Reply # 10 on 8/1/2011 1:03 AM >
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copied the song riff for riff, beat for beat

ripoff start at :14


original (recorded ~5 years prior) starts at :10




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There is no such thing as originality. Think about it this way: We live in an infinite universe. You go in a straight line in one direction, you will not stop. there is no end of space. Within the infinite exists everything. So, nothing new can ever be made.




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Within the infinite exists everything. So, nothing new can ever be made.

Nothing can exist until it is created. This statement is false.




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There is no such thing as originality. Think about it this way: We live in an infinite universe. You go in a straight line in one direction, you will not stop. there is no end of space. Within the infinite exists everything. So, nothing new can ever be made.


You're taking the subject titled too seriously.




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Nothing can exist until it is created. This statement is false.


Wait a second. Clearly you don't understand what you are saying. Nothing, NO THING. As in, doesn't exist. How does one go from No Thing, to existence. If it doesn't exist, it isn't there. There is nothing. One cannot just go: poof, I made a table out of thin air. One has to take a tree, cut it down, dry the wood. cut it a shape it, then put it together. That wood is millions of years of evolution. The wood grew from the earth, that was created inside a star. Why are there stars? Because within the realm of space, which is infinite, everything is a possibility. Because it all, already exists.




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Wait a second. Clearly you don't understand what you are saying. Nothing, NO THING. As in, doesn't exist. How does one go from No Thing, to existence. If it doesn't exist, it isn't there. There is nothing. One cannot just go: poof, I made a table out of thin air. One has to take a tree, cut it down, dry the wood. cut it a shape it, then put it together. That wood is millions of years of evolution. The wood grew from the earth, that was created inside a star. Why are there stars? Because within the realm of space, which is infinite, everything is a possibility. Because it all, already exists.

You're flawed logic would undue the importance of every single invention // piece of art // human accomplishment ever, because you are looking at them as the sum of their parts rather than as the end result of human ingenuity // creativity // experience. Pseudo-intellectual bullshit like this is pretty easy to see through. You're playing semantics just to cause controversy.




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You're flawed logic would undue the importance of every single invention // piece of art // human accomplishment ever, because you are looking at them as the sum of their parts rather than as the end result of human ingenuity // creativity // experience. Pseudo-intellectual bullshit like this is pretty easy to see through. You're playing semantics just to cause controversy.


You heard it here first folks! I AM FLAWED LOGIC.

Importance you say? And who is it that attaches this importance to these accomplishments. Are they universal accomplishments? If mankind died out, who would find value in such accomplishments? As time progresses, the accomplishments long past fade out of memory and out of use. Think of all the inventions that are no longer used. One day, our greatest accomplishments will fade to gray. Human ingenuity is the logical extension of universal evolution.

I'm sorry, But there is even more flawed logic behind your position. The conclusion is that the human race needs a pat on the back for it's job well done. That the end result is more important than the process?

I'll take process over result any day.

To bring this all full circle, People like to dance. They like music. Does it matter if something is original? And isn't everything a rip off of everything else?




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You heard it here first folks! I AM FLAWED LOGIC.

Importance you say? And who is it that attaches this importance to these accomplishments. Are they universal accomplishments? If mankind died out, who would find value in such accomplishments? As time progresses, the accomplishments long past fade out of memory and out of use. Think of all the inventions that are no longer used. One day, our greatest accomplishments will fade to gray. Human ingenuity is the logical extension of universal evolution.

I'm sorry, But there is even more flawed logic behind your position. The conclusion is that the human race needs a pat on the back for it's job well done. That the end result is more important than the process?

I'll take process over result any day.

Sometimes I fail at spelling/grammar/punctuation.

Everything is insignificant if viewed on a long enough timeline, human or otherwise. However, when people use the words "new," "original" or "accomplishment" it is only logical to assume that they are using these words in a human context, not the infinite universal context you are describing. As you have proved, these words would lose their meaning if applied in such a way, and if that was how they were meant to be used then what would be the point?


To bring this all full circle, People like to dance. They like music. Does it matter if something is original? And isn't everything a rip off of everything else?

More semantics. Artists taking influences from (or as you would say, "ripping off") other artists is a very different scenario than artists sampling or stealing other artists material since they can't create something themselves. The fine people here are discussing the latter scenario.

Originality does matter, without it there is no progression. I like hearing new sounds and I'm sure you do, too. Or am I mistaken and you prefer that every single musician you listen to sounds exactly the same?




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Sometimes I fail at spelling/grammar/punctuation.


We all do. I like to poke fun of it sometimes.

Everything is insignificant if viewed on a long enough timeline, human or otherwise. However, when people use the words "new," "original" or "accomplishment" it is only logical to assume that they are using these words in a human context, not the infinite universal context you are describing. As you have proved, these words would lose their meaning if applied in such a way, and if that was how they were meant to be used then what would be the point?


Consider this more from the zen point of view. We all live in the present. We do things to fill out the space between when we are born, and when we die. Why get sucked into concepts such as originality?

More semantics. Artists taking influences from (or as you would say, "ripping off") other artists is a very different scenario than artists sampling or stealing other artists material since they can't create something themselves. The fine people here are discussing the latter scenario.


If someone spends their whole life copying other people, that is their prerogative. But there is a contextual essence you might be missing. I have noticed that the amount of things that get copied these days increasing at a staggering level. It is becoming cultural. It is a "creative" evolution in it's own right. Backwards maybe. But still.

In a larger scope, there is no creativity as it all just becomes numbers and probability. Creativity is chance. But chance favors a prepared mind.

Originality does matter, without it there is no progression. I like hearing new sounds and I'm sure you do, too. Or am I mistaken and you prefer that every single musician you listen to sounds exactly the same?


To quote Mission Of Burma:

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Tons of singers ripped off Layne Staley's singing style after Alice in Chains got popular, Creed and Godsmack to name a few. Contorting and forcing your voice to sound like someone else is lame. Like the singer of Avenged Sevenfold trying to sound like James Hetfield....shit's weak.




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