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You got a problem bro?
 |  | Rooftop-Infiltration
< on 9/27/2003 1:48 AM >
|  | | | I need to get to the roof of the Ames HQ Building (photos posted on monday). The lowest point of the roof is right in front of the road (a main road). I thought i had this figured out, but then i ruled out the use of a grappling hook (my original idea was to use it) because it would damage the property. The highest point is roughly 6 stories up, and thats where i plan to infiltrate. What i was thinking was get on the roof at a low point then climb up the rest of it, eventually getting to the top, and climbing inside. But, back to my question. I need to find something that will allow me to get onto a low point (i.e. rope ladder) or get onto a high point (i.e. rappel up), but the catch is, no grappling hooks. If it was the only way to do it, then yes, i would use it. Thanks in advance
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Macsbug
Noble Donor
Location: St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
Safety First!
| |  | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 1 on 9/27/2003 2:00 AM >
| | | | Some pictures would be helpful.
If it has enough levels, so that a fall wouldnt kill/seriously maim you, you could consider free climbing it. It might look like there are no good holds are places to get traction from, but if you really look hard, there probably are.
There are some buildings I have walked around, tried different things forever, until I discovered something that works. You can use hinges as hand and footholds if you are confident the door wont open. You can use window sills, close enough together walls, trees nearby, pipes running up and down, lights on the exterior, etc. It might just take some amount of looking and thinking about the problem in different ways.
[last edit 9/26/2003 9:01 PM by Macsbug - edited 1 times]
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Ben
Noble Donor
Location: Mojave Desert
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 2 on 9/27/2003 3:16 AM >
| | | | To be completely accurate, it's impossible to rappel up something.
Are there ladders between the levels, or will you be doing it the hard way the entire distance?
You might consider starting at the top.
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 3 on 9/27/2003 3:29 AM >
| | | | yes, there is an alternate entrance, at ground level, but that is either always locked, or it'll have a guard at it. In addition to that, it is visble from the road, the same road the cops would roll up and down on the date i plan to infiltrate. These double doors, i assume, are used for either deliveries, or elevator maintenance. I looked up close and there is no lock (on the outside) of the door. I have never seen them open, so i figure take a crowbar just in case. I have to go to the site again tomorrow to take more, clearer pictures, mine rightnow really suck.
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The Lost Flock
 
Location: Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
baaah.
| |  | | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 4 on 9/28/2003 9:05 AM >
|  | | | Why do you believe that a grappling hook would damage the building? In the Grappling Hook thread, Jester's hook was mostly coated in a sort of yellow rubber that I'm sure would minimize any damage to the lip of the roof you hook it against.
-The Lost Flock
The Lost Flock is finding it's way.
Scaffolding is like monkey bars for adults. |
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 5 on 9/28/2003 4:16 PM >
| | | | I haven't actually looked at any Home-made grappling hooks too closely, but really I think that its not damaging the property that i'm worried about too much, but its really becuase of the height of the entrance, if i were to fall, well, i'd either die or become paraplegic (sp?). At six stories up, you have to truly know that your equipment works, that it wont fail. I'm not really a great welder, so if i were to screw up a homemade grappling hook i'd be seriousely screwed fucked. And with my luck, it'll be raining on infiltration night, making it a greater risk to climb up the building, for risk of the hook slipping. I will have pictures put up later this afternoon/night and you can see for yourself how high this building is.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 6 on 9/28/2003 9:05 PM >
| | | | Hopefully an obvious question; have you tried the roof hatch yet? And what's this about a crowbar?
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 7 on 9/28/2003 10:38 PM >
| | | | Here is the link to the updated location database, with all the photos i took today. http://www.uer.ca/locations/show.asp?locid=20130 . Krazy- here's your answer. I have an "inside source" that I have been getting inside info from for the past couple of weeks. She has told me about security flaws in the building, and much more. And most of all she has told me about how this "hatch" has a 99% chance of being unlocked. She also said that if they were locked, they could be easily opened. So, if they can be easily opened, i figure, i can pry them just a bit with my mini crowbar (only if they are really, really hard to open). Other wise i can hopefully open it with just my strength. I know you're thinking "who is this source", well, she's my math teacher. she worked there not long ago (maybe 2 years), and considering the place has been closed for roughly a year now, she worked there up until one year before the company went belly-up.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 8 on 9/29/2003 1:29 AM >
| | | | so if you can't get the door open, you're going to pry it off? I still don't understand. Do you plan to leave the building undamaged, or do you not believe in those sorts of things?
edit: I understand why you didn't try the roof hatch. The building's name sounded like it would be a live, occupied open building.
[last edit 9/28/2003 8:30 PM by MacGyver - edited 1 times]
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 9 on 9/29/2003 1:51 AM >
| | | | I'll try to make my explanation as simple as possible. If I cant get the doors open, i'm going to rappel back down to the ground and i'm going to attempt the main entrances and loading dock areas for open places. My math teachers says that those doors are certain to be open. I'm trying my best to come up with a solution that doesn't damage the property. But if i have to jimmy those double doors to get them open, then so be it. I believe that an explorer shouldn't damage the property that he/she infiltrates. I do believe, however, that if you have to jimmy a couple of locks or pry a few doors (of course not pry the door or jimmy the lock so much that it doesn't look like it originally did) thats acceptable (only if you're going to explore, not tag). And, actually, the place is pretty much closed down -- Except for the 5 or so janitors on duty every day. Again, i'm not going to pry the whole door off, just pry it enough to disable the locks on the inside (if any). If I were to pry the door off, it'd make a pretty loud bang, considering the height and all.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 10 on 9/29/2003 2:28 AM >
| | | | So the potentially-pryable door is on the roof or up on a wall or something? (I'm not getting a clear mental picture so far)
I agree that jimmying can be acceptable at times. My rule of thumb is that I'll do it if it doesn't hack up the door at all or make the lock less functional. If you disable the lock, then anyone can get in. I just advise you to not leave the site less secure than it was when you showed up. keep us posted.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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The Lost Flock
Location: Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
baaah.
| | | | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 11 on 9/29/2003 3:42 AM >
| | | | As I see it he's saying that the roof hatch is a door that is on the roof 6 stories above ground level. The door has an excellent chance of being unlocked, but if not a quick jimmy should get it open with minimal damage. If both fail he will return to ground floor and try some more common( and probably better guarded) entrances. Now, from the pictures it seems to me that the building is sorta built with roofs of varying levels. So if you got a grappling hook could you climb up one floor to a low roof, and then another floor or two to the next roof, and so on and so forth towards the roof with the hatch, thus reducing injury from a fall?
-The Lost Flock
The Lost Flock is finding it's way.
Scaffolding is like monkey bars for adults. |
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Macsbug
Noble Donor
Location: St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
Safety First!
| | | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 12 on 9/29/2003 4:41 AM >
| | | | I agree, it looks like you could go level by level, with a hook, or even free-climb if there are enough supports.
I think that might be the best option. Definitly better then trying to use a hook to climb straight to the top from the ground.
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." |
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Ricotta
Nobler Donor
Location: Houston, TX
Gender: Male
De arimasu~
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 13 on 9/29/2003 7:22 AM >
|  | | | Posted by stealthy
I have an "inside source" that I have been getting inside info from for the past couple of weeks. She has told me about security flaws in the building, and much more. And most of all she has told me about how this "hatch" has a 99% chance of being unlocked. She also said that if they were locked, they could be easily opened. So, if they can be easily opened, i figure, i can pry them just a bit with my mini crowbar (only if they are really, really hard to open). Other wise i can hopefully open it with just my strength. I know you're thinking "who is this source", well, she's my math teacher. she worked there not long ago (maybe 2 years), and considering the place has been closed for roughly a year now, she worked there up until one year before the company went belly-up.
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Coolest. Teacher. Ever.
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 14 on 9/29/2003 8:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
So the potentially-pryable door is on the roof or up on a wall or something? (I'm not getting a clear mental picture so far)
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look here http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal.asp?locid=20130&galid=10190 for a picture of the place (in the gallery, Sept28#05.jpg). I am going up the walls, and then jimmying those doors way up there open to gain entry.
I totally agree with the fact that you should leave the area as secure as it was before you went there. LostFlock- Yes, that is exactly what i was thinking. And the only thing with climbing up the levels of roofs like that is that at a certain point you are going to be exposed and be in the view of anyone on the main road, on which cops pass through. Thats my only objection to that idea. Other than that, its a great idea. Krazy- go to the url above, that should help you picture the area in your mind.
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Macsbug
Noble Donor
Location: St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
Safety First!
| | | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 15 on 9/29/2003 9:15 PM >
| | | | Is the roof lit at night?
If not I dont see how the cops would see you while driving by as long as you keep a low profile. From my experiance, as long as the roof is not lit, it is very hard to see someone from below unless they are both standing upright and moving.
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 16 on 9/29/2003 9:16 PM >
| | | | Build yourself a trebauchet! Just launch yourself on up there...
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 17 on 9/29/2003 9:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by macsbug
Is the roof lit at night?
If not I dont see how the cops would see you while driving by as long as you keep a low profile. From my experiance, as long as the roof is not lit, it is very hard to see someone from below unless they are both standing upright and moving.
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Only the edges of the roof has light shining upon it. There are halogen lights in the parking lots that light up the whole area. But, if there is a full moon, that would light up the area fairly significantly. Hopefully though, it'll be cloudy that night.
[last edit 9/30/2003 4:16 PM by stealthy - edited 1 times]
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The Lost Flock
Location: Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
baaah.
| | | | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 18 on 9/30/2003 2:17 AM >
| | | | Yeah, if you aren't in a hurry, wear some nice dark clothes and creep slowly across that open section, nice and low. Should work out fine. And with a solid grappling hook and good rope with some nice knots/loops in it, it should be a pretty easy climb.
-The Lost Flock
The Lost Flock is finding it's way.
Scaffolding is like monkey bars for adults. |
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Rooftop-Infiltration
<Reply # 19 on 9/30/2003 9:28 PM >
| | | | Thanks for the advice/replies everyone. What I was thinking was wearing some camos, with regular clothes (i.e. sweatpants) under them. That way I can change my appearance in a hurry, if chased by police. Also, I found out today that one of my team members is backing out. He's afraid of being caught. I tried to reassure him, but he wouldn't change his mind. Its because I'm planning this on halloween, and he wants to go egging houses. So I'll probably be doing this maybe 12:00 am after halloween friday. I wanted halloween because the police always patrol neighborhoods with kids in them. That way it diverts attention away from the area i'm in. Thanks again for the advice!!!
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