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 Freak
     
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
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<Reply # 20 on 5/26/2006 5:07 PM >
|  | | | I've never felt a need to carry in the city, although I keep some around my house since it's full of crack dealers. Murderapolis streets are actually pretty tame if you aren't involved in a gang or start flipping off people in muscle cars. There have been a few locations (like one dubbed "crack land", where I made sure to bring a big heavy maglite and then upgraded to a crowbar I found lying around, but I've never actually had a problem here. I know some people who almost got mugged in Detroit, and I almost got shot by a redneck pot farmer once, but both situations were handled by talking and/or running.
At home while exploring old mines or ghost towns I carry a shotgun or pistol for bears, but they're usually big pansies and will run off it you yell at them.
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
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Captain Stormy
Location: Chicago mostly. Sometimes Minneapolis.
Gender: Male
SO TIGHT THAT IT CHAFED
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<Reply # 21 on 5/26/2006 10:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by Freak
Murderapolis streets are actually pretty tame if you aren't involved in a gang or start flipping off people in muscle cars.
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If you ask me, being a UE'er in a high-crime area isn't any more risky than just plain old walking the streets at night. (which is still not a good idea unless you're in a group) Thousands of people walk around in these high-crime areas, most definitely unarmed, I don't see any reason to carry a gun around.
http://www.urbex12.com |
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Free Baller
Location: New Jerssey
Gender: Male
I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.
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<Reply # 22 on 5/27/2006 2:13 AM >
| | | | I carry a bayonet to use as a prybar and for protection m-7 I think.
Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary.
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tag_cryptic
Location: colorado springs
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 23 on 5/27/2006 2:30 AM >
|  | | | culture deceives.
even if gun ownership is an american notion, fear is universal and undiscriminating. you see a dark street in a different light after being mugged.
good opinions everyone.
ps. what is so comforting about holding a hard pipe with batteries and a light-bulb? if you get attacked, you'd be better off holding your penis instead of a maglite.
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Explorer Zero
  
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<Reply # 24 on 5/27/2006 2:38 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jonsered
I'm legal to carry at McDonald's, but why the hell would I?
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Lubys Cafeteria.
Temple Texas, 1991
because nobody would or could stop the psycho George Henard from killing 23 innocent citizens
Id bet that you would have stopped him sir, after the first one or two or sooner IF were carrying and couldve put one through him. As Andy Rooney says, I know I would... too bad that was back when Texas said it was illegal to carry a handgun. They finally woke up.
I fully support peoples right to lay down and let someone slash them up like that, I could care less if people dont defend themselves just so long as they dont try to keep me from defending myself.
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 5/27/2006 3:30 AM >
| | | | Posted by 2Xplorations
Lubys Cafeteria.
Temple Texas, 1991 |
Excellent example. Legal concealed carry isn't about carrying a gun when you expect trouble, it's about having a gun in case of unexpected violence against you.
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mattsb2000
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Location: San Bernardino
Gender: Male
Your house is gone, your leg has been raped.
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<Reply # 26 on 5/27/2006 5:49 AM >
| | | | I don't have a gun.
I don't care if other people with me have guns. Really it's none of my buisness.
Ghettotech
<Opheliaism> you are officially more of a sick fuck than ghost killa |
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Twystr
Location: 39.2N, 104.17W Elev. 6535ft
Gender: Male
Gimme Biggah Drayyyyynes!
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<Reply # 27 on 5/27/2006 6:43 AM >
| | | | I dont own a gun. I encourage fellow drainers and urbexers to NOT carry while on the trip. I carry a el-cheapo knockoff Swiss Army Knife(total blade length: 2" and quite dull I might add) I also encourage sobriety, as it can make or break the trip.
Anecdote: A friend almost blazed up whilest in Citadel II as we were draining... I threatened to soak his MJ, If he lit any because the weed would got all of us stoned... Draining is somethign you need to carry out while sober. no drugs alcohol or weapons.
[last edit 5/27/2006 6:44 AM by Twystr - edited 1 times]
"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."
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lsd
Location: g-spot.
Gender: Male
aight
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<Reply # 28 on 5/27/2006 7:56 AM >
| | | | "...it's better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it." So, if i could, i would probably bring one, in case of emergencies. It's very hard to obtain a legal permit to carry a sidearm in canada, so i bring my peace pipe sometimes.
"I ordered Jalapeno"
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 29 on 5/27/2006 8:24 AM >
| | | | I could care less if someone I went out with had a gun on them if they were level headed and had the proper permits.. I wouldn't be to fond of someone I was exploring with drawing an unregistered gun and stich a raccoon or something, that's just stupid on so many levels..
And sobriety I think for me is a must, if shit hits the fan I want the people I'm with to be able to react accordingly and not sit there all glazed over and go "damn thats fucked up.." while someone else is bleedin out with broken legs..
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
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<Reply # 30 on 5/27/2006 8:45 AM >
| | | | Even if it was legal, I wouldn't. I have no money to pay the fines or time to spend in prison after killing or seriously hurting someone for self-defence.
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parallax
Location: Sydney, Australia.
Gender: Male
Cave Clan are go!!
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<Reply # 31 on 5/27/2006 10:08 AM >
| | | | I've never explored with anyone carrying a gun (newbies expos are ommitted coz I got no idea wtf that amount of people could be carrying) but if I do explore with someone who has a gun there's only two things they must agree to.
1. Let me touch it.
2. Let me shoot something.
But let us not forget that the pioneers of modern day urbex, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, needed nothing more than a bowstaff, nun-chucks, sai's and a sword.
[last edit 5/27/2006 10:09 AM by parallax - edited 1 times]
Cave Clan Australia
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TaP
Location: Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
| | Re: sidearms
<Reply # 32 on 5/27/2006 3:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by tick
Excellent example. Legal concealed carry isn't about carrying a gun when you expect trouble, it's about having a gun in case of unexpected violence against you.
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letting joe average carry a gun also lets big bad charles manson the right to carry a gun.
if you let the good guys the right, the bad guys would carry them too. thus this is a vicious circle. if we abolish this law (im giving this as an example) no one would carry a gun and there would be less accidental shootings and less violence.
"[Gun violence is] the second most frequent cause of death overall for Americans ages 15 to 24. Since 1960, more than a million Americans have died in firearm suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries. In 2001 alone, 30,242 Americans died by gunfire: 17,108 in firearm suicides, 12,129 in firearm homicides, 762 in unintentional shootings, and 243 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Nearly three times that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries."
http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/phil.html
"A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense."
http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm
now in a country where firearm concealed carry and posession (except only for hunting) is illegal for example, Canada, the gun related incidents are lower than america.
"For 1987-96, the average firearm homicide rate was 5.7 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.7 per 100,000 in Canada."
http://www.cfc-caf...anus/default_e.asp
Now let'S do the math, 227 gun related injuries per year in canada (pop.32 569 394) and 17032 in america (pop.298 823 972).
america has about 9 times more people than in canada.
now if canada had this much population and we tried the statistics, the gun related incidents would be lower than the US.
2091 gun related incidents (In Canda is it would be equal to US' population) compared to 17032 in the US.
can we say more?
[last edit 5/27/2006 3:09 PM by TaP - edited 1 times]
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 33 on 5/27/2006 3:46 PM >
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If you check your stats you'll find it is very seldom that someone with a license to pack uses a firearm without due cause. Most that are misusing firearms don't think that far ahead, and probably don't give a rat's ass about laws anyway. That's one reason they shoot people.
Futhermore unlike Canada, or any other country, the USA has a unique history, and relationship with firearms. You seen a any western movies lately? Try asking some Nam vets what they think; some of them have advanced degrees from the school of hard knocks. They survived. Lesson one: most times war is boring, monotonous. Punctuated by brief, violent moments. Normal life is like this, but there's much fewer violent moments, much more pleasurable ones. Many of those vets pack, and for good reasons.
[last edit 5/28/2006 1:31 AM by Mutt - edited 1 times]
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Scaggs
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 34 on 5/27/2006 4:20 PM >
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That's a great concept, except it's not reality. Let's go down to Mexico, where I lived for 4 years. Guns are totally outlawed there. Hell, I was the biggest/tallest guy in my city of 11 million people and I still got my ass whipped on a few occasions.
But if I had been carrying, which I do here in the States(legally with my CWP) that fucker would have been toast.
[last edit 5/28/2006 1:32 AM by Mutt - edited 1 times]
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: sidearms
<Reply # 35 on 5/27/2006 4:53 PM >
| | | | | Posted by TaPif you let the good guys the right, the bad guys would carry them too. |
Do you think criminals bother getting concealed weapons permits?
(side note: To get my carry permit I had to apply at the courthouse, show proof of firearms training, go to the police station to get fingerprinted, undergo a background check, and wait a month and a half. IIRC, If I'd had any felony convictions, more than two misdemeanor convictions, any convictions for domestic violence, or was under a restraining order, I'd have been rejected.)
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Free Baller
Location: New Jerssey
Gender: Male
I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.
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<Reply # 36 on 5/27/2006 5:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by tick
Do you think criminals bother getting concealed weapons permits?
(side note: To get my carry permit I had to apply at the courthouse, show proof of firearms training, go to the police station to get fingerprinted, undergo a background check, and wait a month and a half. IIRC, If I'd had any felony convictions, more than two misdemeanor convictions, any convictions for domestic violence, or was under a restraining order, I'd have been rejected.)
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Exactly, If your gunna kill someone with a gun why bother getting a permit.
If the bad guy wants to kill you whose gunna stop him, not you, you dont have a gun.
Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 37 on 5/27/2006 6:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by Free Baller
Exactly, If your gunna kill someone with a gun why bother getting a permit.
If the bad guy wants to kill you whose gunna stop him, not you, you dont have a gun.
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If your a bad guy all you need is a 120 bucks for a piece of shit .22 semi. Your not going to get a permit and spend 500+ bucks for a reliable, quality weapon if your a crook. Still that .22 does a fine job of killing, fucking people up.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Jonsered
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
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<Reply # 38 on 5/27/2006 9:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by 2Xplorations
Lubys Cafeteria.
Temple Texas, 1991
Id bet that you would have stopped him sir, after the first one or two or sooner IF were carrying and couldve put one through him. As Andy Rooney says, I know I would...
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OK 2x, yu got me. Yes I would have stopped him, after #1, but I hesitate to freak anyone out if they see my weapon. I know I'm legal to carry, but I don't want people to feel uncomfortable around me. Tough line. Learn to conceal better I suppose!
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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rz350
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Location: toronto
Gender: Male
The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
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<Reply # 39 on 5/28/2006 2:42 AM >
| | | | Its too hard to get a permit here in canada, or I would. If I was with someone who was licenced, I would have no issues.
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