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 |  | Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
< on 6/23/2006 12:45 PM >
|  | | | HAMBURG, NY (2006-06-22) Representatives of the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health met with retired Bethlehem Steel workers yesterday about their exposure to radiation more than 50 years ago.
The workers rolled uranium rods for nuclear plants during the late 1940s and early 1950s. Today, many of them are suffering from health problems.
The federal government will compensate workers up to $150,000, but many claims have been denied. The Institute's Dave Allen said they came to learn more about radiation exposure at Bethlehem's former Lackawanna plant.
"Once we get this new estimate finalized, we will go back and evaluate all the previous claims," Allen said.
There are 575 claims from retired Bethlehem Steel workers, and about 100 more that need to be looked at.
The area's congressional delegation are pushing for a special designation for the workers that would allow their claims to be decided as a group.
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YellowSnow
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| | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 1 on 6/23/2006 4:54 PM >
| | | | Sweet, I hope I experienced some radiation!
On a side note, I got the envelope that had the lens cap in it, and some pink paper, but no lens cap. It came opened on the side. So I'm thinking that a greedy mail man stole it because he has a cool camera too. Anyways, thanks for trying.
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| |  | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 2 on 6/23/2006 6:13 PM >
| | | | Great post yellow snow.
It's really amazing how many companies, and locations in the NE where processing highly radioactive materials mostly for the military, but also for power plants and other uses.
At the Philadelphia Naval Station in 1945 two scientists were killed in a plutonium hexafluoride/steam leak. Third degree burns over 100% of their bodies, and of coarse massive respiratory damage. They didn't die that quickly, they suffered for at least 1+ ? hours. Their families were not told how they died, and since they were civilians working for the military their families received no compensation but their loved ones corpses. Back in 1999 I believe it was, details were finally released.
You wouldn't believe what they did around here!
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 3 on 6/23/2006 6:51 PM >
| | | | There are quite a few former Uranium and plutonium processing plants surrounding the Great Lakes.
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| |  | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 4 on 6/23/2006 7:05 PM >
| | | | Thank you Manhattan Project.
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 5 on 6/24/2006 12:34 AM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
There are quite a few former Uranium and plutonium processing plants surrounding the Great Lakes.
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It would seem they were all over the US. PHL Naval Base? What the fuck. Give a real nice safe feelin'. They also mine beryllium in this region, smelted, and machined it. Great stuff used for the cold war hardware, a slow agonizing illness(s), and death for the people who worked with it.
There were many victims of the cold war, few are remembered, even fewer are recognized as heroes. Most are nameless, and long dead.
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 6 on 6/25/2006 4:10 AM >
| | | | I could tell you more about the Manhattan Project than you care to know.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 7 on 6/25/2006 4:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
I could tell you more about the Manhattan Project than you care to know.
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Early nuclear "mistakes" are some of my favorite to read about. Just what is the actual mass for critical mass? It spikes so fast...puff (that strange blue glow). oh my. Wonder how many are still classified?
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junkyard
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 8 on 6/25/2006 5:03 AM >
| | | | I had more than a few beers tonight, nice ride though. I think it was around 11Kg. Not much bigger than a softball. I could be wrong, don't quote me. But as usual I'm fuckin close.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 9 on 6/26/2006 1:18 PM >
| | | | Lots of radiation tests around here. The Manhattan Annex, where one of the most comprehensive sets of plutonium injection tests was conducted, was just down the street from where I live.
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 10 on 6/27/2006 6:10 PM >
| | | | Posted by Brind
Lots of radiation tests around here. The Manhattan Annex, where one of the most comprehensive sets of plutonium injection tests was conducted, was just down the street from where I live.
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What is "plutonium injection tests"?
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IHateSnow
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| | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 11 on 6/27/2006 8:40 PM >
| | | | i drive past the steel mill almost every morning, i need to get in there sometime soon
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Brind
Location: Kitchener, ON
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 12 on 6/27/2006 9:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
What is "plutonium injection tests"?
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During the Manhattan Project, the government conducted tests on civilians to test the effects of radiation. They were concerned about the safety of the scientists working on the project, and so started conducting research on a few select groups. One of these tests included (secretly) injecting terminally ill patients with large doses of plutonium and monitoring their response.
A really good book, "The Plutonium Files" by Eileen Welsome was written on the tests.
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 13 on 6/27/2006 9:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by Brind
During the Manhattan Project, the government conducted tests on civilians to test the effects of radiation. They were concerned about the safety of the scientists working on the project, and so started conducting research on a few select groups. One of these tests included (secretly) injecting terminally ill patients with large doses of plutonium and monitoring their response.
A really good book, "The Plutonium Files" by Eileen Welsome was written on the tests.
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Not sure about that one as the effects of large doses was well known back then; death. Inhalation posed the greatest risk of exposure when processing plutonium, as well as accidental excursions. It might be true, but there as many false tales(maybe more) as there are true accounts.
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Brind
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 14 on 6/27/2006 9:44 PM >
| | | | Hmmmmm...I could be wrong, but it seems to be backed up rather well.
By March 1945, there was disturbing news that urine samples from Los Alamos workers were indicating, based on models developed from animal experimentation, that some might be approaching or had exceeded a body burden of 1 microgram.[13] A March 25 meeting led to Hempelmann's recommendation that the Project "help make arrangements for a human tracer experiment to determine the percentage of plutonium excreted daily in the urine and feces. It is suggested that a hospital patient at either Rochester or Chicago be chosen for injection of from one to ten micrograms of material and that the excreta be sent to the laboratory for analysis."[14] The overall program, as it was envisioned by Dr. Hymer Friedell, deputy medical director of the Manhattan Engineer District, Oppenheimer, and Hempelmann, consisted of three parts: improvement of methods to protect personnel from exposure to plutonium; development of methods for diagnosing overexposure of personnel; and study of methods of treatment for overexposed personnel. On March 29, Oppenheimer forwarded the recommendation to Stafford Warren, with his "personal endorsement."...
Uranium Injections at Rochester
Under the Manhattan Engineer District program, physicians at the Rochester metabolism ward also injected six patients with uranium (in the form of uranyl nitrate enriched in the isotopes uranium 234 and uranium 235) to establish the minimum dose that would produce detectable kidney damage due to the chemical toxicity of uranium metal, and to measure the rate at which uranium was excreted from the body. To achieve the first objective, the experimenters used a higher dose with each new subject until the first sign of minimal kidney damage occurred. Damage occurred in the sixth and last subject (at a calculated amount of radioactivity of 0.03 microcuries), indicated by protein tests of his urine. Unlike the plutonium injections, this was an experiment that evidently was designed not only to obtain excretion data but to cause actual physical harm, however minimal. Thus, although the investigators could reasonably view the plutonium injections as an experiment that was extremely unlikely to produce acute effects, this was not true of the uranium experiment, which was intended to produce acute effects. As with the plutonium injections, the uranium injections also posed a long-term risk of the development of cancer. The Committee does not know in this case how long subjects survived after injection; there is no documentation of follow-up with these subjects as there is for some of the subjects of the plutonium injections.
The subjects of this experiment, like some of the plutonium-injection subjects, were not at risk of imminent death, but did suffer from chronic medical conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis, alcoholism, malnutrition, cirrhosis, and tuberculosis. According to Dr. Bassett, again the primary investigator, the subjects "were chosen from a large group of hospital patients. Criteria of importance in making the selection were reasonably good kidney function with urine free from protein and with a normal sediment on clinical examination. The probability that the patient would benefit from continued hospitalization and medical care was also a factor in the choice."
The 1948 report on the experiment did not discuss the question of consent. We were not able to locate any documents that bear on what, if anything, the subjects were told about the uranium injections, nor have any relevant recollections about the experiment survived. Two 1946 documents, however, discussing whether Dr. Bassett should be permitted to give a departmental seminar on the excretion rate of uranium in humans, illustrate the secrecy that surrounded these injections and suggest that the subjects were not informed of the experiment. By the time of this correspondence, the uranium research with animals at Rochester had been declassified. The first document, a letter written by Andrew Dowdy, the director of the Manhattan Department at the University of Rochester, to a Manhattan District Area engineer requesting permission for Bassett to give the seminar, included the following: "I feel that there is no reason why he should not discuss this matter, and I believe that the fact that this information was actually obtained on his own patients is of more concern to himself than to the District."[69] In the second document, an intraoffice memorandum, the area engineer discussed this point, and more:
Dr. Dowdy states that the patients were Dr. Bassett's, but it should be borne in mind that all the work performed by Dr. Bassett was performed at the request of the Manhattan District Medical Section. This seminar is to be conducted for persons who are all Doctors of Medicine and it is doubtful if this information would get out to any of the families of the patients or the patients on whom the experiments were performed. . . .
At the time these experiments were started, this office was given strict orders that the information should not be released to any but authorized persons. Almost all the correspondence and result of experiments were exchanged between Dr. Wright Langham at Santa Fe and Dr. Bassett of the University of Rochester. This rule is still in effect on some of the material that Dr. Bassett is using and knowledge of the experiments is kept from personnel at the Rochester Area.
-Except from U.S. Department of Energy Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments (1996). Final Report. Chapter 5. Experiments with Plutonium, Uranium, and Polonium
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http://www.eh.doe.gov/ohre/index.html has lots more information.
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 15 on 6/27/2006 11:46 PM >
| | | | Yeah, that might be so then. There is no save level for ingestion of plutonium. Nasty stuff. It is a potent carcinogen over time.
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| | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 16 on 7/1/2006 3:59 AM >
| | | | So does that explain the glowing green water we saw?
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 17 on 7/1/2006 4:12 AM >
| | | | Posted by pyro
So does that explain the glowing green water we saw?
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Holly firefox pyro! Did you get a sample?! Anything that glows in the dark is some bad-ass must-have shit.
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| | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 18 on 7/1/2006 4:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Holly firefox pyro! Did you get a sample?! Anything that glows in the dark is some bad-ass must-have shit.
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Well not only did I not have a container for liquids, I don't think I'd want it anywhere near me for too long. Also I think it would've been awkward to get a sample.
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| | | Re: Bethlehem Steel in the news (Not the usual demo story)
<Reply # 19 on 7/1/2006 5:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by pyro
Well not only did I not have a container for liquids, I don't think I'd want it anywhere near me for too long. Also I think it would've been awkward to get a sample.
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Ha-ha, guess it would be a long trip for something that you shouldn't take home anyhow. Good news is they might pay you to remove it!
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