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 Mark
      
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 20 on 3/14/2007 11:50 PM >
|  | | | Holly piss what are you guys trying to climb? With that much gear I could probably spiderman up the side of mount Rushmore.
1. YOU DON'T NEED A CHEST RIG!!! Even if you flip upside down unless your body is fucked up you shouldn't slip out of most modern harnesses. Hell you wont out of a swiss seat. This is of course if SECURE IT PROPERLY!!!!!
2. Moving and clipping things is a bitch. The most you need is a rope going around the cranes exterior itself. Professional tower climbers do it this way and so do tree climbers. The rope and your body weight should bind up around the crane provided you have the right rope length around the crane itself.
3. Fancy ass repel gear will get you killed faster then anything. Things that aren't simple will fuck you up rather well.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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kjohnnytarr
 
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| |  | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 21 on 3/15/2007 12:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Holly piss what are you guys trying to climb? With that much gear I could probably spiderman up the side of mount Rushmore.
1. YOU DON'T NEED A CHEST RIG!!! Even if you flip upside down unless your body is fucked up you shouldn't slip out of most modern harnesses. Hell you wont out of a swiss seat. This is of course if SECURE IT PROPERLY!!!!!
2. Moving and clipping things is a bitch. The most you need is a rope going around the cranes exterior itself. Professional tower climbers do it this way and so do tree climbers. The rope and your body weight should bind up around the crane provided you have the right rope length around the crane itself.
3. Fancy ass repel gear will get you killed faster then anything. Things that aren't simple will fuck you up rather well.
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I agree with most of this. When I origionally posted this thread, I was thinking that perhaps there would be wires I could clip to, by slings. dsankt has pretty much filled me in on how this is really done though, through IMs. I like your idea under #2 though, Mark. Oh, and if I do rap it, it'll be for fun, and I'll just use my Reverso, on a rope with knotted ends.
It seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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blackhawk
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| |  | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 22 on 3/15/2007 1:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Holly piss what are you guys trying to climb? With that much gear I could probably spiderman up the side of mount Rushmore.
1. YOU DON'T NEED A CHEST RIG!!! Even if you flip upside down unless your body is fucked up you shouldn't slip out of most modern harnesses. Hell you wont out of a swiss seat. This is of course if SECURE IT PROPERLY!!!!!
2. Moving and clipping things is a bitch. The most you need is a rope going around the cranes exterior itself. Professional tower climbers do it this way and so do tree climbers. The rope and your body weight should bind up around the crane provided you have the right rope length around the crane itself.
3. Fancy ass repel gear will get you killed faster then anything. Things that aren't simple will fuck you up rather well.
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I use to blast tanks and we never used safety belts, let alone harnesses. We would do drops many times down tank legs in a bosun's chair, that's it. We would 'catch" the tension rods by swinging/being pulled by a ground man at an angle to chair rope's attachment point. The first section or two from the top you have to drop one leg t a time, but after that (about 40 feet) you could catch two legs by securing between the legs and swinging out. We would rope ourselves around the legs while blasting.
You were a lot more afraid of the blast line breaking near, or around the whip, than falling from a chair; it just didn't happen.
We were totally anal about checking the ropes (we use hemp because of this), rigging, and blast hoses.
The idea of using a harness in a caged safety ladder defies common sense. Free climbing steel is fun and safe if you know your limitations, know what your doing, are fit, and never do stupid things while climbing. Free climbing a large vertical I-beam or a T brace (you grip with your hands on the flange and walk up the beam with your feet) in a ship hull is as faster than using a ladder, and it's a total blast!.
Never count on a harness saving your life; you can die by hitting your head or by impalement even if the tether breaks your fall.
If your have a lot of equipment that hinders your climbing because bulk or weigh, consider using a drop line to pull it up (and back down) after your topside.
3. Fancy ass repel gear will get you killed faster then anything. Things that aren't simple will fuck you up rather well.
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Exactly.
Unnecessary gear distracts your concentration; distraction kills.
"Keep it simple, stupid!" as Dick Dale would say.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 23 on 3/15/2007 5:51 AM >
| | | | On a side note if you have a harness by all means wear it and bring something like two carabiners and a length of rope. That way if you get up top or get tired you can hang out so to speak. I am not advocating nothing, just that magic word LOGIC.
Its perfectly ok to over engineer things as long as you have the time, and figure out the most logical solution in the end.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| |  | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 24 on 3/15/2007 6:17 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Professional tower climbers do it this way
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I was a "professional tower monkey" all the gear I showed was the majority of the safety/positioning crap we had on us, pretty much everything I linked we used on a daily basis.. In all honesty to get up a tower look around and come back down, you could very realistically do with no gear what so ever, depending on what shape your in.. BUT if you wanna chill up there for a while and take pictures or whatever, a harness (any harness) and positioning lanyard would be damn nice to have.. otherwise your holding onto shit and balancing all over hell in normally high winds..
the fancy rappelling gear I showed was the thing that was recommended in tower rescue by a company that did safety seminars on tower rescues and safety.. We also used that thing any time anyone had to rappel at all since it's maybe the safest 8 you can get for industrial use (aside from /maybe/ a double stop, which I just don't trust or like much at all)
One last thing, Camel Back, not really needed but DAMN nice to have once yer up there..
Some of you may think it's dumb to have that shit on you, but the majority of that was NEEDED to do our job (which as I stated before in another post isn't crucial for 'sport' climbing)..
I speak from the experience of working on monopoles and cell supporters, not cranes..
Live to Serve, Serve to Live.. |
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 25 on 3/15/2007 7:47 AM >
| | | | Pravus you also had the same distinct advantage that Mark and myself had; expert steeplejack(s) to show you how, and make sure you were trained properly.
A good exercise to build your strength for climbing ladders is climbing a 90 foot stand pipe tank 3 or 4 times, twice a week, for a couple weeks.
Climbing or walking on a structure that is moving can be disorientating, keep that in mind and avoid breezy days.
-Steel is unforgiving-
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 26 on 3/16/2007 5:39 PM >
| | | | Just so y'all know:
I climbed my crane last night. It was a spur of the moment thing while we were running around exploring some other stuff. We did it with absolutely no gear  .
I'll have a thread with photos up as soon as I get my normal comp back. I'll throw a link in here too.
It seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 27 on 3/16/2007 10:20 PM >
| | | | Yeah I forgot the camel back, thats probably about as important as anything else when climbing towers, or anything of a decent height.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Timothy R. Pendergast
Location: Columbia, SC
Gender: Male
| | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 28 on 3/21/2007 5:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
1. YOU DON'T NEED A CHEST RIG!!! Even if you flip upside down unless your body is fucked up you shouldn't slip out of most modern harnesses. Hell you wont out of a swiss seat. This is of course if SECURE IT PROPERLY!!!!!
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I realize that cranes may be different than anything else, but my 7+ years of experience in high angle rescue have given me at least half a dozen experiences where I have been glad to have that chest harness. Granted, that's doing hauling, belaying and lowering, and the physics are different than a simple fall, but the chest harness is important for anything more than sport climbing. I'm not talking about a dedicated piece of gear with metal hardware or anything. A simple tied sling looped around your stomach and over your shoulders with a biner on it will do the job.
But yeah, I poked around a crane that's set up by Lake Murray and I'll be more than happy to leave climbing them to you guys.
Please don't be stupid. It might piss me off so much that I have a seizure or something. I hate stupid people. |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 29 on 3/21/2007 7:15 PM >
| | | | I don't disagree that a chest rig isn't nice but most of the people here wont be doing any sort of rescuing and probably should stick to the basics that was my point. Obvious exceptions exist on every rule.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 30 on 3/21/2007 9:09 PM >
| | | | Climbed it, here's the pictures:
http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post0
I apologize for asking y'all for advice and then ignoring most of it, but dsankt and others are right: it's just freaking easier to go without gear.
It seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 31 on 3/22/2007 12:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by kjohnnytarr
Climbed it, here's the pictures:
http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post0
I apologize for asking y'all for advice and then ignoring most of it, but dsankt and others are right: it's just freaking easier to go without gear.
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Sweet. Cake walk.
Weeeeeee!
Your ass did look like it was sticking out though; good no one tagged you
You'd have to try in order to fall off something like that
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 32 on 3/22/2007 12:52 AM >
| | | | Word, Blackhawk. Being seen was definitely more of a risk than falling. I wish I could have shot with a flash up there.
It seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 33 on 3/22/2007 1:32 AM >
| | | | Posted by kjohnnytarr
Word, Blackhawk. Being seen was definitely more of a risk than falling. I wish I could have shot with a flash up there.
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Ha-ha, yeah I got the impression your ass was hanging out for all to see. That's my only worry with climbing most anything; getting spotted. Fuck me silly.
What I've done is to do the climb on a non-work day in the early AM so that I'm in place as it just starts to brighten before sunrise. Grab some shots and bug out fast! Dress the same color as what your climbing, and conceal yourself near the top as best you can(make yourself thin). Be very wary of being silhouetted or back lite to spots on the ground where observers may be while climbing or chilling. Avoid movement once in place. An IS lense is also helpful, as are windless nights. Shooting with a ground man light painting is also an option, but camera shake will be a problem unless he has some BIG lamps.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
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| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 35 on 3/22/2007 5:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
Man that was a lot of advice on how to climb a ladder.....
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Wanna see my advice on how to fall?
As follows; opps, SHIIIIIIIIT.....................
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[last edit 3/22/2007 5:09 AM by blackhawk - edited 1 times]
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
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| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 37 on 3/22/2007 8:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
I'm just sayin Mr. Brown could climb that thing.
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Agreed. The trick's not getting seen.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Crane climbing set up
<Reply # 39 on 3/24/2007 7:42 PM >
| | | | I forgot what a master of stealth Mr. Brown is
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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