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 haveg0als
 
 |  | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 40 on 1/7/2011 2:06 AM >
|  | | | We go in anything down to 3'. I mean... there might be something cool in there! Just had that experience, as my flickr reflects.
Good discussion on footwear. I wear knee high boots or waders, especially in the winter where wet = a long cold walk back to the car. The foot injury concern plays a part as well.
+1 on all the other good advice here. I've learned to bring more drinking water. Sometimes we are down for multiple hours and that dehydration headache is the worst.
Drain pics here: http://www.flickr....otos/53054264@N08/ |
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Viveiros
Location: South Attleboro
Gender: Male
Parkour + Urbex = New Locations
| | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 41 on 1/13/2011 3:39 AM >
| | | | I think I explore drains and buildings evenly but the only thing is in a building i can predict what types of dangers can occur. where as (even though I've been in several now) drains with danger seem unpredictable. I mean random flooding and potentially toxic gases. hell I ran into an opossum the first time I went in one ^_^
but I have some questions. ok during one draining expedition I came into a manhole chamber where I could stretch my legs the initial pipe I was exploring was maybe 3ft. in (circumference?) but anyways when I got into the manhole chamber (it was the 3rd one in) There was another pipe near my head that was roughly the same size as the one I had been exploring and then almost immediately it turned into a square! so I was like "sweet gotta check this out!" so I crawled in it and to my complete surprise it dropped out into a huge (at least 10ft. high, 12ft. across and infinitely going in each direction) brick sewage room with a literal shit river flowing though it. It smelt horrible and when I lent in closer to get a picture It was as if my face was next to a heater!
fearing that I'd spent too much time, and worrying about methane gas I decided to leave the drain in a hurry.
now im wondering is there some sort of filter/mask I can buy that will make me not susceptible to methane gas or other dangerous fumes?
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shotgun mario
 
Location: MSP
Gender: Male
MSP Elite™ Card-Carrying Member
| |  | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 42 on 1/13/2011 4:03 AM >
| | | | What you found is a sewage overflow. That small drain connecting the storm drain/sewer to the sanitary (poo) sewer is a backup route for storms when the sanitary sewer gets flogged with too much volume from rainwater entering the sewer, it will spill into the drain and go out into the river rather than bubble up through manholes or drains into basements and streets. The heat is a combination of energy released from the decomposing matter, and warmed sewage (shower water, dish water, laundry water, piss water, etc). Really nothing to worry about there, sewers are just breeding grounds for everything dirty imaginable.
uh, there's probably not a threat of massive amounts of methane, especially if it's that close to manholes (air exchange) and it's moving fast enough that stagnant sewage isn't sitting around decomposing & producing methane... and that will usually sit under the surface until you disturb it.
Methane isn't dangerous in itself, it's dangerous because it displaces oxygen and you can suffocate without even realizing it. You begin to act dopey/ stupid / not thinking straight when your brain is deprived of oxygen, making it all the harder to tell if you're in danger or not (if your head is clear, you can feel your lungs having to work harder in low oxygen environments, as if you ran up a set of stairs or were hiking on a mountain) so no mask will help you to 'replace' the oxygen in the environment. You can either take the risk with or without the purchase of an oxygen meter, choose to stay out, or bring in your own oxygen (easier said than done, and I've only heard this 'mentioned' in passing). Usually here in MSP we just go for it without a meter.
But it sounds like in your particular situation it shouldn't be a problem because of the ease of air exchange. Best thing you can do is get a friend, and if both of you start to feel strange and/or your lips start to turn blue (sign of shortage of oxygen in the bloodstream) you should get out.
Go in drains and sewers! They're fun! Just wear rubber boots in sewers, unless you want to be awesome like Gatsby and risk getting blood-borne pathogens ;)
If you want to protect the locations you love to explore, don't talk about them online in public!
If you want to make exploring friends, send people private messages! Meet up in real life! Get off the internet!
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Viveiros
Location: South Attleboro
Gender: Male
Parkour + Urbex = New Locations
| | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 43 on 1/13/2011 4:14 AM >
| | | | ok thanks for answering those questions for me shotgun Mario  I actually was with 2 friends that day but now I feel more confident about not dying so I'm gonna go explore that drain some more tomorrow.
anyways to get back to what the topics about, I'm about 5'8'' and I find that if you have enough room moving like a gorilla would (hands on the side of the drain pushing on the wall and thrusting your legs in between the gap in your arms) takes a lot of stress of of your legs and is much faster than crawling.
If the pipes really small and your wearing multiple layers I find it useful to shed a few layers and leave them in an open space (IE manhole chamber or other type of room) so that you can fit into smaller spaces and move more quickly.
I say don't worry about getting wet its bound to happen but hell that's part of the fun right? I mean I've swam in rivers in order to get into certain drains.
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Viveiros
Location: South Attleboro
Gender: Male
Parkour + Urbex = New Locations
| | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 45 on 1/13/2011 4:37 AM >
| | | | Posted by shotgun mario
oh yea, forgot to mention:
Beer will help sanitize any sewage you may happen to ingest while on you adventures in the sewers. This long-forgotten tradition was the cornerstone of safety precautions for sewer workers in Ye Olden Days, but ever since those asshole lawmakers decided drinking on the job was deemed unsportsmanlike or something, the understanding of the benefits of subterranean consumption were forgotten (because all the old fart tunnel guys were always too drunk to write down the rules about drinking, and instead would just stumble home after a long days work).
This tradition of alcohol ingestion was rediscovered by the Minneapolis-St.Paul explorers long ago before Your Mom ended up sleeping with some guy (you might know him as Dad), and this revitalized tradition has subsequently been passed down from explorer to explorer in the hopes that we can all avoid the Rinker's Revenge, or more commonly known as ass-milk (a catch-all for any sort of sewer parasite/virus/bacteria/etc.).
Do Science. Get in the Shit. Drink Beer. Save Lives.
Strategic Beer Command.
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well even though Im a minor I'll keep that in mind! after all I wouldn't want an ass-milk disease XD
and do you mean drinking afterward or like during? cause it seems slightly dangerous to be tipsy while exploring.
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MindHacker
 
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 46 on 1/13/2011 11:17 PM >
| | | | You sound overly worried about fumes... In drains you are almost always fine, because if there's a way for the water to get out, there's a way for the denser-than-air fumes to flow out too (unless the outfall is submerged, but this is really really rare).
I've only encountered low o2 levels once, and that was in a cave. If you start getting winded more easily than you should, or you feel a little stupid: head on out. Until then, you should be fine. Ain't nothing wrong with breathing a little methane, a bit of H2S, whatever.. the problems are when you start breathing only methane.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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shotgun mario
Location: MSP
Gender: Male
MSP Elite™ Card-Carrying Member
| | | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 47 on 1/14/2011 1:04 AM >
| | | | well, I won't put forward the suggestion that being tipsy ISN'T dangerous while exploring, but I will say that it's not always life-threatening. It all depends on the location, who you're with, how much you've had, what you feel like, and what your abilities are. But for the most part, having a beer or eight while out isn't going to kill you, and beer is a usual asset in our gear bags (at least the people I explore with in MSP).
Just don't get piss drunk while you're out so that people have to babysit you or haul your ass out--- it really makes people want to go out with you far less frequently.
[last edit 1/14/2011 1:05 AM by shotgun mario - edited 1 times]
If you want to protect the locations you love to explore, don't talk about them online in public!
If you want to make exploring friends, send people private messages! Meet up in real life! Get off the internet!
Don't try to have a UER e-penis! You won't impress anyone! This especially means you, Minneapolis MN newbies! |
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Viveiros
Location: South Attleboro
Gender: Male
Parkour + Urbex = New Locations
| | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 48 on 1/15/2011 4:37 AM >
| | | | haha ok, Im not much of a drinker anyways. but thanks for the advice.
and @mindhacker I know I just don't want to end up on the news as another kid that was found dead in a weird place. well not yet anyways XD
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Tom133t
| | Re: Draining Techniques
<Reply # 50 on 4/25/2011 2:08 AM >
| | | | My piece of draining advice is to know your physical limit. If you're in a long, narrow pipe, 15 or 20 minutes of knee-crawling can exhaust you very quickly. If you've got nowhere to sit and rest as you go, you'll tire out, and exiting the drain will become very challenging. I'm a fairly strong guy, but after a few hundred feet of mudcrawl, I'm usually shaky and ready to fall down. That being said, have a decent idea of how long you'll be crawling, and if the pipe will open up into a larger one. Don't turn back once you're exhausted - because when you turn back, you're only half way done. Save some energy to be able to get out without too much trouble.
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couldn't agree more