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 tribeachpunk
        
Location: Halifax, NS
Gender: Male
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< on 2/24/2010 9:35 PM >
|  | | | My pal at the Army/Navy shop was showing me a a/s mask he had in stock the other day. He didn't know off the top of his head which country utilizes this particular mask. I went home and browsed eBay for a bit looking at the masks from a bunch of different countries. Most available on eBay.ca appears to be the Hungarian style1. I though the Finnish mask2 was coolest, personally.
Tell me about the army surplus masks that you guys own.
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Post pics, I want one.
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 1 on 2/25/2010 5:24 AM >
| | | | I used to use a U.S. M-17, but changing filters is a PITA and parts are getting hard to come by these days. I've since switched to an MSA Advantage 1000, which isn't mil-surplus, sorry, but is a very, very nice mask. I do have a USAF-surplus MCU-2/P, which is also pretty nice. Not so great for photography, alas, but it has a hydration tube, which is theoretically nice. I mainly use it in "hostile environments" where I don't want to risk messing up the nice Advantage mask, which may or may not call into the question of owning it in the first place.
I have four or five other current-production civilian full-face respirators, as well. Hey; back before the '08 RNC/DNC, you could get new, surplus masks with current, in-date filters on eBay cheaper than you could get new, in-date filters by themselves...
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vov35
Location: Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 2 on 2/27/2010 7:33 PM >
| | | | I've owned an Israeli m-15 gas mask. Excellent quality.
Unfortunately this was before I got into UE.
But hell, it's served someone who isn't me against teargas.
I believe https://www.mainem...ry.com/Default.asp sells them for $35 with NATO threaded filters for $5.
To the best of my understanding these filters will have no problem dealing with asbestos as well as the toxic gases (chlorine?) they were meant for. However, I'm not a professional on particulate filtration or asbestos protection, so it would be nice to have a confirmation.
Of course, one things gas masks do that other masks in use for UE don't... is protecting the eyes.
The filters on cold war Russian gas masks are long expired, so beware. The masks themselves work, although they aren't particularly comfortable in my opinion. (they take NATO 40mm filters).
[last edit 2/27/2010 7:37 PM by vov35 - edited 2 times]
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 3 on 2/28/2010 7:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by vov35
To the best of my understanding these filters will have no problem dealing with asbestos as well as the toxic gases (chlorine?) they were meant for. However, I'm not a professional on particulate filtration or asbestos protection, so it would be nice to have a confirmation.
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Um, no. Sorry.
Every gas mask filter - and respirator filter, for that matter - offers particulate protection, which is what protects you against asbestos, pigeon shit, tear gas, pepper spray, anthrax, et cetera. It's a physical, mechanical filter that doesn't go bad with age, so even the 40-year-old Israeli training filters on the market will keep asbestos out of your lungs, assuming your surplus mask works and fits correctly.
However, modern military filters - and many industrial filters - are also designed to protect against actual gases, by using a variety of chemical agents within the filter to trap or neutralize the vapors in question. This capability degrades with age - meaning that old/outdated filters may not and probably will not protect you against chlorine, hydrogen sulfide, sulfur dioxide, et cetera.
NO filter on the market that fits a 40mm mask thread protects against ammonia, which is commonly used as a refrigerant in older industrial buildings. No filter protects against oxygen-displacing gases such as carbon monoxide. Those, you need an SCBA for.
Of course, one things gas masks do that other masks in use for UE don't... is protecting the eyes.
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If you choose to overlook all the commercial full-face respirators, sure. A $20 MSA Ultra-Twin and a $20 pair of GME-P100 filters protects the eyes just as well as a military gas mask... and probably offers better respiratory protection than a long-outdated "NATO" filter.
Whether you really need that protection is, obviously, another question altogether...
The filters on cold war Russian gas masks are long expired, so beware. The masks themselves work, although they aren't particularly comfortable in my opinion. (they take NATO 40mm filters).
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The filters on every mil-surplus gas mask on the market - German, Finnish, Czech, Israeli, Soviet, whatever - are expired. For the most part, of course, that's not a problem, if all you want is particulate protection.
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Uncle Goose
Location: Ghent, Belgium
Gender: Male
The Goose knows best.
| | | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 4 on 3/1/2010 10:43 AM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
Um, no. Sorry.
Every gas mask filter - and respirator filter, for that matter - offers particulate protection, which is what protects you against asbestos, pigeon shit, tear gas, pepper spray, anthrax, et cetera. It's a physical, mechanical filter that doesn't go bad with age, so even the 40-year-old Israeli training filters on the market will keep asbestos out of your lungs, assuming your surplus mask works and fits correctly.
However, modern military filters - and many industrial filters - are also designed to protect against actual gases, by using a variety of chemical agents within the filter to trap or neutralize the vapors in question. This capability degrades with age - meaning that old/outdated filters may not and probably will not protect you against chlorine, hydrogen sulfide, sulfur dioxide, et cetera.
NO filter on the market that fits a 40mm mask thread protects against ammonia, which is commonly used as a refrigerant in older industrial buildings. No filter protects against oxygen-displacing gases such as carbon monoxide. Those, you need an SCBA for.
If you choose to overlook all the commercial full-face respirators, sure. A $20 MSA Ultra-Twin and a $20 pair of GME-P100 filters protects the eyes just as well as a military gas mask... and probably offers better respiratory protection than a long-outdated "NATO" filter.
Whether you really need that protection is, obviously, another question altogether...
The filters on every mil-surplus gas mask on the market - German, Finnish, Czech, Israeli, Soviet, whatever - are expired. For the most part, of course, that's not a problem, if all you want is particulate protection.
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Old filters are not to be recommended, 1ste of all, they can contain Chromium V that is known to cause cancer, modern filters don't have that compound anymore. Other then that, old filters can have fungi in them and those are never good for you. Best thing is to buy a brand new filter, don't use old surplus filters, even if they are sealed.
CO filters do exist but because CO is such a dangerous gas most companies dealing with it only use it as a kind of emergency only thing and the filter is only used once and then tossed. In most cases they indeed use a SCBA unit also because you are not dependable on the oxygen around you.
BTW, here a view on my collection of gasmasks. I'm collecting for about 17 years now and collected about 300 different gasmasks ranging from WW1 till recent times, Military as well as Civilian and Industrial. The boxes contain gasmasks that still need a bag or a cannister.
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WEKurtz
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 5 on 3/1/2010 10:56 AM >
| | | | Damn! Now that's what I call a collection.
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 7 on 3/1/2010 9:12 PM >
| | | | Damn, skippy.
Got a spare voice amplifier for an MCU-2/P, by chance? Or an M4 winterization kit you'd care to part with? 
As far as I know, chromium toxicity was only an issue with early (black) C2/C2A filters, but I could be wrong. Some of the really old Warsaw Pact filters, and truly antique filters from other nations, contain asbestos, which is all the more reason to avoid them.
I have a box of outdated MSA Phalanx riot-control agent filters, should a Phalanx be one of the masks you need a filter for. Not a horrible gas mask - MSA being MSA, it's basically an Ultra-Twin respirator, only with a proprietary bayonet fitting for a proprietary $50 P100 filter...
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heldfast
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 8 on 3/1/2010 9:23 PM >
| | | | I was using this mask.
Turns out it doesnt protect against anything.
Damn.
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bfinan0
Location: Rochester, NY
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 9 on 3/1/2010 9:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
If you choose to overlook all the commercial full-face respirators, sure. A $20 MSA Ultra-Twin and a $20 pair of GME-P100 filters protects the eyes just as well as a military gas mask... and probably offers better respiratory protection than a long-outdated "NATO" filter.
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You're missing a rather important zero there. I believe that should read: "A $200 MSA Ultra-Twin"? Unless prices are down 90% from when I was looking.
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anfetishmean
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| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 10 on 3/2/2010 3:37 AM >
| | | | I would guess a dated RUS or NATO one is fine for typical UE encounters. You're not not exploring vektor are you?
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 11 on 3/2/2010 5:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by bfinan0
You're missing a rather important zero there. I believe that should read: "A $200 MSA Ultra-Twin"? Unless prices are down 90% from when I was looking.
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Who pays retail?
They're regularly available online for $20-40, new-in-box, often with obscure and specialized filters that aren't otherwise a whole lot of use. Likewise, plain old P100 filters that fit the mask are available online well below retail.
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 12 on 3/2/2010 5:53 AM >
| | | | How much did you pay for the Finnish mask? It's pretty rare to see one in foreign hands. The full set is something like 1-5 euros around here.
The current Finnish model is pretty nice as well.
I could perhaps use my Scott full face mask in "hostile environment", but then again I rarely go to such places and... well, it's yellow. But then again it's work equipment, not an army gas mask.
[last edit 3/2/2010 5:54 AM by Tupsumato - edited 2 times]
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Uncle Goose
Location: Ghent, Belgium
Gender: Male
The Goose knows best.
| | | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 13 on 3/2/2010 8:56 AM >
| | | | Posted by Tupsumato
It's pretty rare to see one in foreign hands.
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Not really, they are common on the market now, think they phased it out since the new M95 came into service. I have both models in my collection and I see them regularly on various militaria fairs. Unfortunately most come without a bag, those are harder to get.
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 14 on 3/2/2010 1:36 PM >
| | | | I stand corrected.
When I think about it now I wouldn't be surprised if a foreign collector or a professional reseller bought a cartload of those old gas mask and sold them around the world in eBay or something like that. They're just so cheap thanks to FDF emptying old storages. For example here the actual item for sale is the bag that, well, just comes with a gas mask and everything else. I see those bags nearly every day in school and once thought about getting one as well, but in the end I didn't.
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bonnie&clyde
Location: 510 & 415
Cleverly disguised as responsible adults
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 15 on 3/2/2010 9:32 PM >
| | | | I have pair of Israeli gas masks. I bought them for a costume a few years back. If someone is interested in them? I would be willing to part with em. They were new when purchased & still look it. I'm sure the filter has expired, or at least stale.
The question is not when are we gonna stop, It's who's gonna stop us?
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danielb
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 16 on 5/8/2010 6:07 PM >
| | | | My current respirator is a North 7700-30L half mask with rigid P100 (purple) cartridges. They take care of all the particulates like asbestos but don't weigh as much or restrict breathing like cartridges that also include gas and vapor protection. They cost about $5 for a pair.
I would rather buy something that's still manufactured and in use nowadays than military surplus.
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Cowboy
Location: Nashville, TN
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 17 on 5/11/2010 5:24 PM >
| | | | Posted by bonnie&clyde
I have pair of Israeli gas masks. I bought them for a costume a few years back. If someone is interested in them? I would be willing to part with em. They were new when purchased & still look it. I'm sure the filter has expired, or at least stale.
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Maxximus Prime
Location: Happy Valley, Oregon
Gender: Male
| | Re: Army Surplus Gas Masks
<Reply # 18 on 6/14/2010 6:43 AM >
| | | | I use a Russian Officer "GORILLA" mask, black, rubber. The filters are the combat operation ones, those 7 day guys. Cheek filters of course. Works well, rarely fogs, and has an AMAZING seal (I tested it by holding my head in the fireplace while the fire was lit in the smoke). Bought mine for $60 from a friend of mine who runs a Ukrainian Military Surplus shop in The Ukraine. Filters came in vacuum sealed bags and are guaranteed to not be expired. I also a couple of years back bought a French (maybe Belgium? Can't remember for sure) gas mask. It came with a cracked eyepiece and a mock filter. I bought an actual filter for it and it worked alright, problem was the seal, didn't conform to my head. The Gorilla is a full head mask, so if you have long hair like I do I would avoid one because pain the in ass to get off... Just my $0.02 to the discussion.
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