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Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 40 on 3/26/2010 1:45 PM >
|  | | | Posted by "Big Daddy D"
I still can't get over this estimated 10 million per station cost.
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Yeah, that is retarded if true. I would've done it for a couple thousand bucks.
Incidentally, there are apparently a lot of subway drivers (I'm assuming more over here than there) who suffer from PTSD and have panic attacks while pulling into stations.
I've always said, just move the control room to another part of the train, not the exact front, and have a video feed. Then it'll just be TV violence.
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M. Fuzzy
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Machine Gun Bunnies!
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 41 on 3/26/2010 6:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by unlisted
Also, comon people! Its the way of the future!! Think of all the savings with the automated subways- can fire all the drivers!!!!
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Never going to happen. The union wears the pants in the TTC marriage. They'll never let those well-paying jobs disappear (which is part of why the TTC is such a cash whore...all those high labour costs. $26-30 an hour is a pretty good rate for driving a train around).
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Agent Skelly
 
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| |  |  | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 42 on 3/26/2010 7:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mr. Fuzzy
Never going to happen. The union wears the pants in the TTC marriage. They'll never let those well-paying jobs disappear (which is part of why the TTC is such a cash whore...all those high labour costs. $26-30 an hour is a pretty good rate for driving a train around).
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Its reason why the Scarborugh RT has drivers.
For those don't know, the Bombardier ICTS is supposed to be 100% automatic. The ATU that represents the TTC threw a fit citing safety issues for passengers so the TTC bent over and took the coolest feature of the ICTS and put drivers up front.
The first full implementation of the Bombardier (then UTDC, former Ontario crown corp) ICTS was until Expo 86 in Vancouver.
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nevernamed
Location: Ajax
Gender: Male
| |  |  | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 43 on 3/26/2010 9:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Do you even know what your talking about? From what I have been told by Transit constables, they have a jumper per week. Maybe they got hit with a liability suit, and that my friend is much more expensive. This just screams liability control, and what's worse they are going to be using some shit design AND overcharging grossly.
Am I the only one who finds irony in neither of you being listed as being from Toronto and commenting about the TTC? Do any of you even take the ttc?
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I've heard they get a jumper per day almost..
You never hear about it unless its really bad too.
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Walker-
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 44 on 3/27/2010 12:12 AM >
| | | | Person vs train... It's always bad.
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 45 on 3/27/2010 2:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by "Big Daddy D"
Plus now they want to add these suicide barriers, aswell as extend the sheppard line farther east to meet up with the RT in scarborough? Where's the money coming from?
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The better question is why bother. They should focus on eglinton and actually get something out to the airport, like every other major city does from the downtown core.
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TRAINS
Foaming at the Mouth
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
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| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 46 on 3/27/2010 2:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by nevernamed
I've heard they get a jumper per day almost..
You never hear about it unless its really bad too.
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This rumor has been put to rest with the release of the statistics.
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Archer
Location: Toronto, ON
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| | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 47 on 3/27/2010 4:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by Agent Skelly
Its reason why the Scarborugh RT has drivers.
For those don't know, the Bombardier ICTS is supposed to be 100% automatic. The ATU that represents the TTC threw a fit citing safety issues for passengers so the TTC bent over and took the coolest feature of the ICTS and put drivers up front.
The first full implementation of the Bombardier (then UTDC, former Ontario crown corp) ICTS was until Expo 86 in Vancouver.
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And yet, funnily enough, it is this same decision that is keeping the ICTS trains running right now. ATO has been dead on the RT for the last two years, and they've given up trying to fix it. They have to run in cab-signal mode now... which requires the drivers.
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Wiccan
Location: Hamilton Ontario
Gender: Female
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 48 on 3/27/2010 5:53 AM >
| | | | As I was reading this thread,Old To Billy Joe came on on the TV. Oh the irony. My only point though was that those who are determined to commit suicide will do so no matter what. And that was already said.
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Ansion
Location: BC, Canada
Gender: Male
The same, except different.
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 49 on 3/27/2010 8:50 AM >
| | | | Don't forget, there's sickos out there who will push people in the trains path. Dunno if that has happened on the TTC tho. I know it's happened elsewhere.
Just another angle.
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Rust
I am a rustbucket
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 50 on 3/27/2010 10:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by Archer
And yet, funnily enough, it is this same decision that is keeping the ICTS trains running right now. ATO has been dead on the RT for the last two years, and they've given up trying to fix it. They have to run in cab-signal mode now... which requires the drivers.
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Heh, I remember being on a tour of old transit control years ago, and he pointed out some shitty pentium desktop - "And this is the computer that runs the SRT!"
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rainman8889
Location: H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
Bye for now.
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 51 on 3/27/2010 2:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by Ansion
Don't forget, there's sickos out there who will push people in the trains path. Dunno if that has happened on the TTC tho. I know it's happened elsewhere.
Just another angle.
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It has happened on the TTC. Maybe not as often but there were some people pushed onto the tracks.
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
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| | | | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 52 on 3/27/2010 4:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by Rust
Heh, I remember being on a tour of old transit control years ago, and he pointed out some shitty pentium desktop - "And this is the computer that runs the SRT!"
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As I recall, ICTS uses SCADA so it was probably just the terminal for it.
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imprezawrxsti
Location: Portland, OR
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 53 on 3/27/2010 4:38 PM >
| | | | we have them on the Jubilee line here, for the same reason.
only some of the stations have them, like westminster. there's about 3 or 4 jumpers a month, and they all seem to happen in the span of a week or so. too bad TfL dosn't release statistics on this sort of thing.
the deep level tubes all have 'suicide pits' in the stations that were installed during the depression. dunno how effective they are, as there's loads of equipment hanging off the bottoms of the train cars, as well as that nasty third rail in the middle.
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Archer
Location: Toronto, ON
Gender: Male
Imperator Sagittario
| | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 54 on 3/27/2010 6:05 PM >
| | | | Yeah, saw those when I was in London a few summers ago. I don't even know if you could get into the suicide pit, with a train barreling down on you, without brushing up against that power rail in the middle.
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M. Fuzzy
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Machine Gun Bunnies!
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 55 on 3/27/2010 6:40 PM >
| | | | Hmmm, that looks like a good idea. A costly one for sure, but there would be less door and barrier issues to deal with.
But implementing it would involve taking tracks through stations out of service for extended periods of time while the floor is deepened. I can't see them doing this.
Keep it fuzzy. |
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Rust
I am a rustbucket
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 56 on 3/27/2010 11:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by Agent Skelly
As I recall, ICTS uses SCADA so it was probably just the terminal for it.
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That is indeed what they meant.
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mohavewolfpup
Incredibly Noble Donor
Location: Las Vegas NV & Toronto Canada
Gender: Male
| |  | | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 57 on 3/28/2010 9:11 AM >
| | | | Seriously, when does the government and lawyers require everyone on the planet to be locked in their homes with the doors nailed shut and to be wrapped in bubble wrap?
This nanny state paranoia bullshit needs to end asap. gets old very quick.
Let people self terminate, who cares anymore. Let them jump and break out the fire hose, or here is a better idea. work with people and make the budgets larger for mental care facilities.
Society as a whole, bar none, creates the monster, pushes them over the edge repeatedly, and then further kicks them in their balls with labeling them as crazy, not normal, and brushing them off.
ask anyone with mental problems if they actually like the hell they live in everyday and they will probably tell you no. I speak from experience...
It's easier for society to feel something for someone with a gunshot or a broken leg then it is for people with mental illnesses and life problems
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mohavewolfpup
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| | | | | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 58 on 3/28/2010 9:15 AM >
| | | | Posted by "Big Daddy D"
I still can't get over this estimated 10 million per station cost.
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because we all know it's probably only actually maybe 20k in costs to build it, but labor, fat cat tax, political/dirty contractor agendas/etc are all tacked on. I've seen huge buildings in the past that got built for 1 million or less. Today? in the billions
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Rust
I am a rustbucket
| | Re: TTC suicide bariers
<Reply # 59 on 3/28/2010 9:44 AM >
| | | | I think it's moreso an issue of service disruptions rather than potentially saving lives.
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