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UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it (Viewed 36357 times)
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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 200 on 2/13/2013 4:30 AM >
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Posted by SuchundFind


So were is her picture and number?



her picture is hanging on the wall at the Armory here in town and her number is programmed into my phone as "Blond Princess".
Ask Anaklusmos, he's met her...she's awesome.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 201 on 2/13/2013 4:45 AM >
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*pm's anaklusmos*

How do I get to said armory? I want to see this picture...

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 202 on 2/13/2013 6:44 AM >
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I'll take more than most into a place just on the off chance I'll need it, but not so much that its a burden. If I'll be gone a while that'll include a Camelbak with Gatoraid, snack food, my headlamp, batteries, small hand light, phone, five year old camera, Leatherman, contact fluid in case I get stuff in my eyes, Purell, small first aid kit, gloves and my ninja climbing skills. If I think I'll have to do any real climbing then I'll add shoes, harness, rope etc depending on the location.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 203 on 2/13/2013 7:25 AM >
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I can't remember if I *actually* ever posted on this thread, on the topic.

Helmet, harness, rope, descender, ascending gear, headlamp, gopro, radio, handheld light-in-holster, pocketknife, glasses strap, headband, hydration pack, compass, glowsticks, backup flashlight, backup headlamp, backup backup headlamp, backup backup flashlight, first aid kit, zip ties, gum, spare glasses, beef jerky, granola bars, N95 mask, spare N95 mask, knee pads, gear sack, extra biners/double-sheeve pulleys/prussiks/spare descender/webbing, extra thin dipped gloves, leather gloves, spare batteries, P&S camera, Blistex, florescent orange duct tape, sharpie, notepad, pen, lighter, multitool, fingerprinting brush (for dusting off glasses), ziploc bags, small roll of TP, quad gas detector, boots.

^ That's how I do it. (in mines)

All of it pictured here:


Funny video to go along with that:
http://www.youtube...atch?v=NXPFeUo03X0
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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 204 on 2/13/2013 1:53 PM >
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In line with what Therrin posted, here's my gear piled up on the tailgate of my truck. It looks like a lot (and it is) but it all gets used.




This is Therrin dropping a shaft that runs about 350' deep.



At close to 200' we staged at this level and rigged the next drop.


Without trying to make it sound more dramatic than it really is, this type of exploring can take quite a bit of gear. This was our first explore of the shaft so we brought along a bit extra since we didn't know what we would find to explore.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 205 on 2/13/2013 3:50 PM >
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...And I know you guys have considered pony tanks and SCUBA gear for the flooded tunnels.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 206 on 2/13/2013 3:58 PM >
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Well *I* have. Haven't convinced any of my fellow mine buddies that it's a sane idea yet.
Which is fine. I'd rather do that kind of thing solo anyhow. Don't really need two people muddying up the water in a tight confined space that's full of water and debris, and if I fuck up then it's just on me; I don't have to worry about killing anyone else.

But yeah, that gear load-out would look pretty crazy, a mishmash of my wreck diving gear and other stuff too!

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 207 on 2/13/2013 4:11 PM >
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Yes, it all fits in the sling pack. The big rubber band secures my camera to my chest when moving around, the cosmetic mirror is for looking around corners, and no, that's not a pen for taking notes. Separate cooler for the brews, of course.








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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 208 on 2/13/2013 5:13 PM >
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Posted by Therrin
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How do I get to said armory? I want to see this picture...


hahaha
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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 209 on 2/13/2013 9:09 PM >
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Posted by Therrin
I can't remember if I *actually* ever posted on this thread, on the topic.

Helmet, harness, rope, descender, ascending gear, headlamp, gopro, radio, handheld light-in-holster, pocketknife, glasses strap, headband, hydration pack, compass, glowsticks, backup flashlight, backup headlamp, backup backup headlamp, backup backup flashlight, first aid kit, zip ties, gum, spare glasses, beef jerky, granola bars, N95 mask, spare N95 mask, knee pads, gear sack, extra biners/double-sheeve pulleys/prussiks/spare descender/webbing, extra thin dipped gloves, leather gloves, spare batteries, P&S camera, Blistex, florescent orange duct tape, sharpie, notepad, pen, lighter, multitool, fingerprinting brush (for dusting off glasses), ziploc bags, small roll of TP, quad gas detector, boots.

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All of it pictured here:
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Ok I have a question.
So standard length of rope, at least for climbing is I believe 60 m or 200 feet.
For a 300 or 350 feet drop do you have two ropes tied together or do you actually have a 350 feet rope?

Other question as I know you should know it, how bad is it for a rope, to go over a couple of 90 degrees edges?
I have to climb a structure that has no real tying point so I will throw the rope just over it, tie it in the other side to the ground, but it will go over two concrete edges and I don't want to spend 120 bucks for a rope and than throw it away after one use.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 210 on 2/13/2013 9:18 PM >
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They said they stopped to rig the next drop, as they would want a secure way back up they would leave the first rope in place and rig a second. You can see more rope in the last picture Abby took. If your rope has to go over an edge like that then you really want a sleeve for your rope. If you can't get the real thing and are dead set on doing the explore then make something that you can secure around the rope at the point where it goes over an edge to protect it... Apologies, I just reread your post and am too lazy to delete all that is above. If you have to try and throw your rope over something you might want to just look for a better way in. Maybe take some pictures of the place and some of us could offer suggestions on alternate entry choices. To answer your question, its bad to put a rope over an edge like that, especially without protection, its a lot smarter just not doing it.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 211 on 2/13/2013 9:43 PM >
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Posted by Olaf
If you have to try and throw your rope over something you might want to just look for a better way in. Maybe take some pictures of the place and some of us could offer suggestions on alternate entry choices. To answer your question, its bad to put a rope over an edge like that, especially without protection, its a lot smarter just not doing it.


ok, here are some pictures of the structure:
http://www.uer.ca/...ow.asp?locid=23489

For some Geocaching, I have to get 2/3 up on the West and south side of it as well as into the inside.
http://www.uer.ca/...l.asp?picid=124833
The right side is the west wall I need to get up. The easiest would be to get to the other side and throw the rope over and tie it to some strong trees that are not visible on this picture.

This is supposed to be a 5/5 cache so it has to be hard to get up there.
As I don't have pictures from the top yet, I don't know if I could walk on the in between walls but I don't think so.



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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 212 on 2/13/2013 9:49 PM >
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Can you link to a photo of the exact area you've chosen to go up? Also, maybe check out Google Earth for some aerial perspective. If you can find it, include the coordinates in your next post, maybe that'll help.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 213 on 2/13/2013 9:53 PM >
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Posted by Olaf
Can you link to a photo of the exact area you've chosen to go up? Also, maybe check out Google Earth for some aerial perspective. If you can find it, include the coordinates in your next post, maybe that'll help.


I am going there right now to recon a little more.
I will post some pictures later that show the parts just as I need it.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 214 on 2/13/2013 10:02 PM >
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Posted by SuchundFind


Ok I have a question.
So standard length of rope, at least for climbing is I believe 60 m or 200 feet.
For a 300 or 350 feet drop do you have two ropes tied together or do you actually have a 350 feet rope?

Other question as I know you should know it, how bad is it for a rope, to go over a couple of 90 degrees edges?
I have to climb a structure that has no real tying point so I will throw the rope just over it, tie it in the other side to the ground, but it will go over two concrete edges and I don't want to spend 120 bucks for a rope and than throw it away after one use.


I'm always down for finding a workable solution in lieu of just not doing something.

First things first. That specific drop we came down on one line, then found a suitable location to anchor a second line near the end of the first line.

I think "standard" rope size is more of a top-roping/rock climbing kind of thing. 60m or 180-200ft I believe.

Many of us have a whole assortment of our own ropes, and the mine exploring crew I'm on has "crew gear" that's pitched in on together that we all use too.

We have 25', 50', 65', 80', 100', 150', 200', 300', 400', 600' among all of us.

You CAN attach two lines together, but use a carabiner or mallion in between tow figure 8-on-a-bight knots. Passing the connection point in ropes is workable, but it kinda sucks. And if you've never done it before you need to practice somewhere safe first, like off a tree in someone's backyard.

Vertical access is a world apart from typical "rock climbing". It uses much of the similar gear, but is altogether different in application.
Also, rock climbing uses "dynamic" rope, which stretches 20 - 30%. We use "static" rope which stretches about 3 - 6%. You do NOT want to take a 'whipper' fall on static rope the way you can on dynamic rope. The shock to the system (respect, Billy Idol) would likely break gear and cause you significant internal trauma and/or kill you.

Vertical access is a "static" affair. You're always hanging on the rope, using the rope as your access route.

If you knew all that.... then maybe it's new info to someone. I don't know what all people know out there.

You CAN use dynamic rope for vertical access... but the stretchiness of it makes it a bit of a pain. Why ascend 130ft of rope for a 100ft vertical (rough figures, for stretch). It's inefficient. And many static ropes built specifically for vertical access are built with "tougher" outer sheaths and will take significantly more wear.


As to edge protection, it depends somewhat on the edge you're dealing with. They make edge rollers for perfect 90* corners, but they're pretty expensive.

I've made some of my own rope protectors using 2" webbing cut longways, with velcro sewn on the inside edges, and a grommet pressed in one top end. You can slide it around on the rope using a prussik.

Another thing we use quite often are pool noodles. Even in the winter you should be able to purchase them from pool supply stores. You slit it on ONE side down the length, then you slide the rope into it. Some of them are REALLY THICK foam, and protect the rope very well going over sharp-ish edges.
(be sure to look at the inside diameter of the noodle. Some have larger inside diameters than others. If it is TOO loose, it can slide down the rope under slack)

There's also the oldschool method of wadding up a sweater and stuffing it under the rope on an edge, tying it to the rope using the sleeves. I've done that often in a pinch, and it works just fine.

If you're looking at a REALLY sharp edge, I'd wad a sweater under it AND use a piece of pool noodle. You can use a noodle in full-length, or cut it into smaller sections as your needs require.

If you want the pool noodle to wear a little better, wrap duct tape around it, starting at one end and working down to the other in overlapping wraps. Don't make it TIGHT, just wrap it around gently. Once you're done, THEN make the cut down the length of it.


Think outside the box. We make our own stuff, store bought stuff is expensive and doesn't fit every application. If you can think of it, and it works, go for it.

(sorry for writing a novel, I love discussing this kind of stuff)

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 215 on 2/13/2013 10:05 PM >
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Perhaps you guys could have a mod move all this to a thread specifically for it?

Or at least the stuff pertaining specifically to the thing you're doing. It is "gear" related of sorts, but it's kinda derailing.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 216 on 2/14/2013 1:42 AM >
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Ok, I don't have too much time, so I will just import them here:

This is a panorama of the frond side, the one I have to get up:

301463.jpg (92 kb, 480x320)
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This one shows the first wall, so you see the structure

301464.jpg (84 kb, 300x400)
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Next is one that shows the complete structure from above. The rope would need to go from were I stand to the other side.

301465.jpg (82 kb, 360x480)
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And last, here is a picture of the wall I was standing at.

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Anybody has an idea how I can do this?

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 217 on 2/14/2013 5:02 AM >
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I do mostly free climbing, climbing shoes, chalk bag, maybe some cams or chocks if I stop for a rest and not a lot else for the most part. If I'm going down something then I rappel but I've never done much that required a lot of gear to do it properly. That looks like a 30' wall, if you have to get up it but can't where did the pictures come from? Also, if I'm reading that right and you have to get from one side to another, can't you just sit on the wall and scoot across while straddling it like a horse?

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 218 on 2/14/2013 8:57 AM >
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Posted by Olaf
I do mostly free climbing, climbing shoes, chalk bag, maybe some cams or chocks if I stop for a rest and not a lot else for the most part. If I'm going down something then I rappel but I've never done much that required a lot of gear to do it properly. That looks like a 30' wall, if you have to get up it but can't where did the pictures come from? Also, if I'm reading that right and you have to get from one side to another, can't you just sit on the wall and scoot across while straddling it like a horse?


I was standing on a pallet that was leaning at the wall, I almost dropped my phone and myself.
There are some large nails and bolts sticking out at the top, so when I saw it I thought the ridding idea wouldn't go very well.

To get up I am buying a used ladder on Crags list, but I still have to come down on the other side, and I choose this location because others will have the same problems I have, and they don't even know what they are getting themselves into.

My first cache was called a little evil, I have to top this with harder puzzles and harder terrain if you know what I mean.

For the edge, I thought maybe I can protect the rope with some rubber hose, it will still be a 90 degree edge, but at least the rope will not be in direct contact with the concrete.

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Re: Urban Exploration kit, my interpretation of how to do it
<Reply # 219 on 2/14/2013 4:26 PM >
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Do you even know what you're doing on rope? I can't recall.

Have you done rappelling / ascending before?

put some hose around the rope and shove a sweater under it and just go do it, if you know what you're doing.

You should be able to tie off a rope to a truck bumper and throw a throwbag with a smaller line over the entire damn thing, then use it to pull a rope over. Tie that one off to another vehicle then ascend up one side or the other and use it to navigate across the top. Pad the rope where necessary when you get up there. If you do that you'll need to have someone untie the rope on the side that you're going to rappel down.

It looks like you can get pretty high up on it already though. You could also do you ladder idea and man-up and scoot across the intersections up above. Hard to tell from the pics.

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