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Louie
| | | infuriation at the protection of information < on 6/3/2004 2:42 PM >
| | | I was trying to find drain maps today when I found out what i wanted to know. In my area, there is a County historical society (visits by appointment only) which does have sewer and drain maps for every subdivision in the county, but they are all dating from 1870-1970. I figured i would want more recent maps, because there is a lot of recent suburban development around here. Through my searching I found out that the area water commision (WSSC) has all of their "engineering documents" online. However, thanks to public paranoia and "security issues", you must first submit to WSSC an online form with your name, address, phone, and email, your Buisness Reason for obtaining the documents, the name and phone number of someone that can back up that claim, and their address. Then, you must go in person to their office, show them a valid photo ID, then they perform a backround check, and then a week later you get a password and username in your email. JEEZ! its just some tunnels!!!! upon hearing Login and password i figured i could do some "digital exploration", but i couldnt find the login page (they send you instructions to access it with the email) http://www.wssc.dst.md.us/service/GISdefault.htm anyways, i think i might just have to keep my eyes open for now. any help/comments are welcome. louie
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Duke Noble Donor
Location: Awww-shitby, Ontario Gender: Male
Move it or lose it
| | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 1 on 6/3/2004 4:38 PM >
| | | As much as it sucks that you have to go through all the hassle to get the info, it could be worth it, seems like a pretty interesting resource. Plus since it's harder to get a hold of you might come across something really cool that's totally untouched by previous explorers, which is a pretty good feeling. I suggest you make up some school project or something that sounds too esoteric to be troublesome and apply. Just social engineer your way in and you'll probably come out with something well worht the effort
Contrary to popular belief, death isn't just for dead people. I know I was surprised too! It can happen to anybody! Horses, fiddler crabs, even a potato can die! - Tick |
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LongHorn
Location: Alabama Gender: Male
"Clever got me this far, and tricky got me in."
| | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 2 on 6/3/2004 7:48 PM >
| | | i think if these people are this serious about keeping random people out of this place theyd check to make sure this school project is real. i would skip making up a story to get the maps, as it sounds as if theyre gonna be checking and double checking any story you give them. i would just try to find the entrance to these tunnels and make ur own maps as you go through them. then again i dont do drains n that kinda stuff so i could be way off base, but from what ive heard about it in this forum that's prolly ur best bet.
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA Gender: Male
| | | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 3 on 6/3/2004 10:00 PM >
| | | I don't know, but the 1870's drain maps from the historical society could be pretty interesting. I'd check that stuff out, you may find cool funny-shaped brick or stone drains, instead of boring modern RCP drains. Have you looked at topo maps? Aerial photography? (http://terraserver-usa.com) Something that has worked for me is searching on your local governmentt website for "storm drain" or "storm sewer", or even just on google for that plus your county name. Draining (and most other UE) is usually 90% research, 10% exploring.
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Louie
| | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 4 on 6/4/2004 3:17 AM >
| | | Posted by tick Have you looked at topo maps? Aerial photography? (http://terraserver-usa.com) Something that has worked for me is searching on your local governmentt website for "storm drain" or "storm sewer", or even just on google for that plus your county name. Draining (and most other UE) is usually 90% research, 10% exploring.
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i googled "montgomery county sewer drain map" and several other variations of that to get to that website. i just find it irritating that the information is so protected, but i understand the protection, being a suburb of Washington DC. im going to check out the old maps, theyll definetly make for more intersting drains, albeit damp, dank, and crap filled. louie
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Louie
| | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 5 on 6/4/2004 3:18 AM >
| | | Posted by LongHorn i think if these people are this serious about keeping random people out of this place theyd check to make sure this school project is real. i would skip making up a story to get the maps, as it sounds as if theyre gonna be checking and double checking any story you give them. i would just try to find the entrance to these tunnels and make ur own maps as you go through them. then again i dont do drains n that kinda stuff so i could be way off base, but from what ive heard about it in this forum that's prolly ur best bet.
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the historical society allows just about anybody to view their maps, because they arent run by the county. however, they arent new maps.
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LongHorn
Location: Alabama Gender: Male
"Clever got me this far, and tricky got me in."
| | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 6 on 6/4/2004 7:15 AM >
| | | Posted by fatLouie
the historical society allows just about anybody to view their maps, because they arent run by the county. however, they arent new maps.
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yeah, i got that. i thought u wanted the new maps that have all this crap to go through to get them. my suggestion was find a way in and make ur own map. if your intent wasnt to get the new maps and go exploring using those maps, then im very confused.
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Louie
| | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 7 on 6/4/2004 4:43 PM >
| | | hehe. let me clear this up. I was just showing how protective our water/waste division is. I will use the old maps, but I wish I could get access to the new maps. i will do what you said and anywhere i go I will make my own map of. ok! end of this discussion.
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LongHorn
Location: Alabama Gender: Male
"Clever got me this far, and tricky got me in."
| | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 8 on 6/4/2004 6:05 PM >
| | | Posted by fatLouie hehe. let me clear this up. I was just showing how protective our water/waste division is. I will use the old maps, but I wish I could get access to the new maps. i will do what you said and anywhere i go I will make my own map of. ok! end of this discussion.
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hahaha. ok!
"Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer." |
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Macsbug Noble Donor
Location: St. Paul, MN Gender: Male
Safety First!
| | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 9 on 6/4/2004 7:01 PM >
| | | I'd definitly look into those older maps, you could probobly find some cool looking older drains, and I would think the bigger drains would be nearer to the city (hence older, and on the maps) and would be more interesting then suburb ones (smaller, rcp, ditches and ponds often keep them smaller and shorter)
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA Gender: Male
| | | | Re: infuriation at the protection of information <Reply # 10 on 6/4/2004 9:06 PM >
| | | Oh yeah, Macsburg has a good point. Most drains built within the last few years are smaller, and interrupted by small ponds and such. Good from an environmental point of view, but not much fun for drainers.
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