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1 2 3 | UER Forum > US: Great Lakes > NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS. (Viewed 24277 times) |
Avatar-X Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast Gender: Male Total Likes: 765 likes
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| | | | Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS. < Reply # 21 on 6/20/2014 1:27 PM >
| | | I'm not burying anything. You seem to think that I am unaware of the issue and that I have not considered what you are saying. Have you considered the possibility that you are incorrect? That the "hoard and hide" mentality of exploring isn't the right way to go about it? I got my start in exploring thanks to the excellent Infiltration zines, which told complete stories of exploring places all over the world. Imagine if the founder of those zines felt the way you did -- he'd never have published them, or he'd have written "Abandoned factory in some place" with blurry photos and a dull story. But thankfully he didn't. So I am telling you straight up: Here on UER, I am OK with sharing as much information about the location as the user wants to share. The name of the place, the exact address or co-ordinates, photos of the exterior, photos of the interior, historical information, etc. The one and sole exception is that we don't approve of the sharing of entry points. The purpose of the UEDB is to build a shared history of these places, because they will eventually be torn down through no actions of ours. By providing the open platform that is the UEDB, anyone may share their photos, stories, and information. Take a look at all of the state hospitals in Massachusetts that Mike mentions -- they are all gone now. They live on only in our memories, helped along by things like the UEDB. So anyway, you can "hoard and hide" all you want, but I'm not going to allow people like you to harass people who feel differently any longer on my site.
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| Avatar-X Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast Gender: Male Total Likes: 765 likes
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| | | | Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS. < Reply # 23 on 6/20/2014 2:27 PM >
| | | Posted by SubLunar I challenge you to justify this in words because you will be simultaneously justifying not giving away locations.
| Sure. Here it is. Knowing that a building exists, knowing where it is, knowing what it looks like from the outside, none of these are really a secret. Some of the best places to explore are in the middle of a city with thousands of passersby a day. Giving the place a fake name and a fake location isn't going to fool anyone. However, getting inside it, or on the roof, or whatever, requires knowledge of the entry point. If it's as simple as "someone smashed a hole in the wall", well, then obviously there's not much to be gained by hiding the entry point on UER. But most of the places I have explored, the building has appeared to be sealed up, with no visible entry points. Usually entry is gained by climbing in an non-obvious place, or taking a tunnel off-site, or a secret board that is lifted in just the right way, or shimmying up a wall in a certain place. For active locations, it's about knowing to take the secret elevator, or the employee staircase when nobody's looking, or how to jimmy the latch on the hatch that goes to the roof of the hotel. Giving away this information does two things: It takes away from the challenge of finding a way in that I consider to be part of exploring, and it makes it very easy for the property owner to close the entry point. If "closing the entry point" simply requires the owner to walk around their property, it really just means you need a more secretive entry point. You didn't look at the photography section did you? | It may surprise you to learn that I frequently peruse all of the sections of my website. The photography section is primarily focused on the sharing of photos, where location information is not really required. But if people want to post it, they are welcome to.
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| SubLunar
Location: St Louis Gender: Male Total Likes: 83 likes
| | | Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS. < Reply # 37 on 6/21/2014 2:47 PM >
| | | AV, et al, Sorry it took me so long to respond, but this isn't exactly the most important thing going on in my life right now. I have written replies to each one of your points but since most of it is your-opinion-versus-ours it's probably not worth an even larger wall of text. I have omitted them in favor of highlighting only the meat of the issue, below. If you like, I can follow up with all the other replies later. Note that I'm not expecting you to change anything around here. This is your party. I'm content simply pointing out the error in the logic behind this line of reasoning and leaving it up to you to continue denying responsibility for anything posted online that can cause issues in the real world. Burying your head in the sand is well within your right. Posted by Avatar-X it makes it very easy for the property owner to close the entry point. | Using your very own scenario: How do you suppose Mr. Property Owner could find out his property has a compromised entry point? Does it come to him in a dream? Unless you have some other idea, I think that would happen after the location was identified publicly. Now, consider your same scenario where a property owner finds out his property has been compromised only the photos don't include an entry point. Do you assume they just throw their hands up and not bother further securing their location? If this is what you think, you're in denial. Plenty of real life examples to prove otherwise. Only looking at one half of the coin doesn't mean the other side doesn't exist. Not all locations require special treatment, but some do.. if we want to continue exploring them. No one denies that local hoodlums fuck shit up and no-one claims that not identifying them publicly is going to save them. But do we have no responsibility to try to protect certain sensitive locations from public identification in order to ensure they last and stay open as long as possible? Or should we all just say fuck it, I was in there before you, who cares what happens to it now? I can assure you that through our efforts locally (in any given city), we have been very successful keeping certain things open and explorable all the way up until new businesses came in and renovated. This includes maintaining several entry points, adjusting them as necessary and yes even leaving that easy window unlocked so others didn't have to get in the hard way. I can think of more than a few places off the top of my head and I guarantee you they wouldn't have lasted if they were made public. But what do I know? I'm just a local. I only live near and regularly explore/check up on locations you've never even heard of. Come down and explore with us some time. I would make an analogy that this "fuck the locals, they have no say" mentality is turning UER into the wal-mart of urban exploration. But it doesn't have to be that way. Thank you for listening and partaking in this discussion with me.
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