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blueheart
Location: Parker, CO Gender: Male Total Likes: 12 likes
| | | Re: Police Experiences? < Reply # 24 on 4/14/2017 4:40 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by gahdamnchi Hey has anyone here had any police experiences? I'm a bit skeptical about exploring although I have a strong interest in it. I've explored many places now but I'm only 16 and my parents don't know I partake in these activities. What's the best way to get out of an arrest or charges?
| The best way to get out of charges? Be compliant, be honest, and be respectful. If all you're doing is trespassing as a 16 year old, you're probably more likely to get out of a citation for this than you would speeding. Having an excuse to be there can help to, but don't make up some grandiose story (saying you were just curious what was inside, and stating that in hindsight you realize that going in was dangerous, is probably your best option). Just be honest with the officers, they're people too, most don't take any pleasure in issuing citations. In most states, trespassing can be a misdemeanor crime, which means you CAN be arrested for it, but this is unlikely. Arresting a minor is a royal pain in the ass, you can't just be hauled away to big-boy jail like an adult. This goes without saying, but breaking things or tagging is an awful idea. Some states (Colorado, for example) define burglary as entering or remaining unlawfully in a building OR occupied structure and committing another crime therein other than the unlawful entry. This means that if you are trespassing in a building, and you vandalise the place (criminal mischief), you may have just committed burglary, which is usually a felony (depending on where you are). In the end the only way to ensure you won't be charged with a crime is to not commit the crime. UrbEx is an amazing hobby, and provides incredible experiences, but you need to accept the risk. Anytime you trespass, you risk criminal charges AND civil liability. There's no getting around this. If you aren't willing to risk criminal charges during UrbEx, there's nothing wrong with that. It just means that this probably isn't for you. Consider the risk versus the reward, and determine if this is something you REALLY want to do.
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| | | | Re: Police Experiences? < Reply # 25 on 4/15/2017 5:22 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by blueheart
The best way to get out of charges? Be compliant, be honest, and be respectful. If all you're doing is trespassing as a 16 year old, you're probably more likely to get out of a citation for this than you would speeding. Having an excuse to be there can help to, but don't make up some grandiose story (saying you were just curious what was inside, and stating that in hindsight you realize that going in was dangerous, is probably your best option). Just be honest with the officers, they're people too, most don't take any pleasure in issuing citations. In most states, trespassing can be a misdemeanor crime, which means you CAN be arrested for it, but this is unlikely. Arresting a minor is a royal pain in the ass, you can't just be hauled away to big-boy jail like an adult. This goes without saying, but breaking things or tagging is an awful idea. Some states (Colorado, for example) define burglary as entering or remaining unlawfully in a building OR occupied structure and committing another crime therein other than the unlawful entry. This means that if you are trespassing in a building, and you vandalise the place (criminal mischief), you may have just committed burglary, which is usually a felony (depending on where you are). In the end the only way to ensure you won't be charged with a crime is to not commit the crime. UrbEx is an amazing hobby, and provides incredible experiences, but you need to accept the risk. Anytime you trespass, you risk criminal charges AND civil liability. There's no getting around this. If you aren't willing to risk criminal charges during UrbEx, there's nothing wrong with that. It just means that this probably isn't for you. Consider the risk versus the reward, and determine if this is something you REALLY want to do.
| Very well worded and composed for a 17 yo I pretty much agree with most of this except trespassing it's self is not always a crime unless the intent or end result was to commit a crime. Furthermore there plenty of places you can explore with little or no risk legally. It's as risky as you chose to make it. Some places it's best to leave be especially when it's obvious someone is securing and/or maintaining it*. Know that states laws. B&E is a serious crime in all states; know that state law pertaining to this especially. Avoid trespassing on federal properties especially active military bases. Some of the best places I ever explored were with permission; there's more than one way to skin the cat. You don't have to become a criminal to be an urban explorer... *That goes double for houses!
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| Rusty Canadian
Location: Taurontau-esti Gender: Male Total Likes: 104 likes
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| | | Re: Police Experiences? < Reply # 28 on 10/2/2017 5:20 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I've had the pleasure of being caught by a security guy on camera in a construction site. The place was between 2 streets + 1 big street so 3 sides where fenced and the 4th side was right on another building, night time. He called the cops as I was starting to head up to the rooftop (the cops told me the guard saw me through a camera aimed at the staircases). As I headed down on the ground floor, after spending 15-20 minutes of clueless exploration. I hear someone screaming something but I wasn't sure if it was for me as I was downtown, so it could've very well been somebody else... I hear someone else scream "hey, come by the gate". So... I naturally panicked, I avoid him and rushed at the other side of the building (also fenced) where I see 2 cops waiting for me on the outside. I tried to be sneaky and not get caught by moving around the equipment. As I tried to moved away from the cops (into the big street), one of them hears me and gets to me before I was able to hop the fence... I don't remember exactly how it went down but they were pretty much asking me if I had suicidal thought. I said no, that I was simply going up there for the view -- to get away... He then explained to me how dangerous it was for me to be in there and that they would've have to eventually go in there looking for me, thus also putting them in danger I apologized, remain calmed and listened and agreed to everything they told me. They give me a $65 ticket and went on their way. (it was ~10:00pm so I hope I didn't got a criminal record without knowing about it!) Overall it was pretty chilled, no-one got shot, no-one was handcuffed and no-one got beaten down. They searched my backpack and an officer had to leave before the others because his wife broke water... No, I'm not joking, I'm serious, the officer got a phone call right in the middle of his partner's speech and went on his way... That's my story, well part of it... There's a lot more but I spared the details or maybe go more in dept another time.
| "When we see a sign that says "Danger: Do Not Enter", we understand that this is simply a shorthand way of saying "Leaving Protected Zone: Demonstrate Personal Accountability Beyond This Point"." - Ninjalicious |
| Dee Ashley
Location: DFW, Texas Gender: Female Total Likes: 1378 likes
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| | | | Re: Police Experiences? < Reply # 29 on 10/2/2017 7:15 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | First of all, please keep in mind that when you are under the age of 18 (in the US anyway) and engage in something seemingly benign yet illegal (like trespassing), anyone that gets caught with you that is not a minor could be in a whole, whole lot more trouble than had you not been there. When I say, "a whole lot more," I mean that what would be a citation has suddenly become a felony in some states. In other words, let people know your age prior to exploring with them so that they can make an informed decision. I've run into a couple issues because of the age thing and I personally do not feel comfortable being held responsible for the actions of another - especially one that is underage! *** To answer your question, I've had several run ins with police over the years and I don't think I have once been searched (my person, anyways, my car is another story). There were a couple incidents where I offered them my backpack and every time I was told something along the lines of, "no, that won't be necessary." I find that interesting, because I've had my car searched, been interrogated, and sobriety tested for something as benign as pulling off the road to sleep and being awoken by the sound of a maglight tapping the side of my window. This has happened several times, actually. I've had some very negative experiences with police and the like, but I've also had some very positive ones as well - not to mention everything in between. It's been said already, but it's a risk you take. I used to play tournament poker, so I look at it kind of like when I sat down at a poker table and had to decide "when to hold em and when to fold em." Also similar to poker, I try to not let my desires or emotions or whatever convince me to make a poor choice where the risk is greater than the reward. No advice is going to be perfect for every situation because every situation is so unique and the environment will always be very dynamic. One thing that you will learn to improve upon however, is your ability to instinctively and accurately analyzing those constantly changing situations. Your confidence in doing so will also improve in proportion with your experience.
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| | | | Re: Police Experiences? < Reply # 33 on 10/17/2017 3:44 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Adv.Pack oh man I feel pretty unlucky. It seems like I've had way more police encounters than most here. Certainly over 10, and 2 of them ended in some pretty steep charges. Just don't get too comfortable. I think thats my problem. Anything can happen at any time.
| Truth. It doesn't take much to burn the whole shit house of fun down In the last 20 years I've had dozens police encounters and 2 with the FBI. Not all were exploring proper related. Most were not bad, some were helpful, even fun, but it only takes one that goes sour to really become an expensive real little nightmare of wait and see. No criminal record here; LEOs hate to bust or throw a criminal record on a nice guy who is truthful and complaint. That takes some doing especially when dealing with a pissed off cop(s). Done that at least a half dozen times, not fun. It helps your cause to put yourself in their shoes, but know where their line is. Don't slam the shutter release if it doesn't seem right. Remember most cops are people persons. Always be compliant when dealing with LEOs (frowning and an red angry face can sometimes say what's needed without words ). All that said... People are trouble.
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