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kidchaos23
Location: Tampa Bay Area, FL Gender: Female Total Likes: 81 likes
| | | | Obnoxious new explorers < on 2/20/2020 2:49 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I've been exploring for a while, but this is probably a rookie question so I'm sticking it in the rookie forum. There are some baby explorers in my region who are super obnoxious. One tried to reach out to me as a woman who also explores, and I was really excited about it! Then she blasted one of my favorite locations on every site she could (I didn't take her there or anything, she did this on her own). I told her it wasn't a good idea because it gets these places shut down, trashed, burned down, etc. But she didn't change it. She still does this. I deleted her because it just seemed like a lot to deal with. She does a lot of things FOR THE LIKES AND VIEWS CLICK SUBSCRIBE. Also, while I really don't have anything against graffiti (which is a position not everyone shares, I know), a bunch of them are leaving sloppy tags of their Instagram accounts. Like, idk, maybe this is a personal pet peeve, but if you're gonna tag something, at least make it good? Make it art? Try, even a little? Is there...anything I can do about this? Without being a bastard? I try to be friendly and welcoming, and I know people are free and are going to do whatever. But I also really want to protect these places. Is there even a point to worrying about this?
| IG: fleet.in.being Steam: kidchaos23 |
| Aran
Location: Kansas City Gender: Male Total Likes: 1848 likes
Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.
| | | Re: Obnoxious new explorers < Reply # 3 on 2/20/2020 6:05 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by ClementRSedona Try your best, but don't kill yourself in the process. Cheers!
| Amen. You can try to educate them and explain the preservationist ethics that guide many members of this community, but in the end some won't listen. The days when there was one united urbex community are gone, and won't be coming back. Instead there's functionally two main communities operating in the same spheres- the preservationist urbex community and the Instagram urbex community. The preservationist community tends to be smaller and closer knit, with a heavy focus on secrecy, history and ethics. Meanwhile, the Instagram community tends to be larger and more diffuse, focusing on seeking fame and fortune through monetized videos and Instagram sponsorships. Most explorers can be sorted into one of these two groups, and the extremes of either mindset are incompatible with one another. Even among the moderates such as the Youtuber who censors location information or the preservationist explorer who paints concrete drains, their general mindset tends to fall into one of the two sides. You just gotta pick a philosophy and stick to it. You can't change how other explorers act, but you can choose what you share and who you share it with. Sometimes that's all you can do.
| "Sorry, I didn't know I'm not supposed to be here," he said, knowing full well he wasn't supposed to be there. |
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Location: Mission Control Total Likes: 3996 likes
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| | | | Re: Obnoxious new explorers < Reply # 9 on 2/20/2020 3:40 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by android_eyez
Ha, good to know I'm not the only one. : ) My mentor had me changing locks and repairing smashed latch guards at a point when I just wanted to GTFO of a spot. I definitely understand the importance of it now and although it probably didn't save anything indefinitely, maybe it prolonged their life a little bit.
| It's not your property... really you should not alter it in any way. Bringing tools to a site is a bad plan. Doing so increases your exposure and liability both criminal and civil. The best thing you can do is reported arsonists, scrappers and vandals asap. Get them busted. Even if you're trespassing cops will ignore that if you're reporting a felony crime and aren't actively involved.
| Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. |
| Aran
Location: Kansas City Gender: Male Total Likes: 1848 likes
Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.
| | | Re: Obnoxious new explorers < Reply # 18 on 2/21/2020 4:23 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Big Poppa
This is good advice. These places are fleeting and ultimately we have very little control over what happens to them. Enjoy them while you can
| Despite the sense of possessiveness we feel for these places, like you said ultimately we have almost no control over their eventual fate. City governments, land developers, and demolition crews will do what they do and we can't change that- and outside a few economically devastated cities like Detroit and Gary, that change is inevitable. Most of the places we explore are by their nature temporary. The only real control we have over them is through controlling information about their existence, and yet we have little control over that too because their existence is a matter of public record for the most part. By maintaining the secrecy we do, all we succeed in doing is delaying the inevitable. That's not to say there isn't value in that, and just because something is fleeting makes it no less important. But we have to keep in mind that no matter how much we care for these places, at the end of the day we are mere visitors.
| "Sorry, I didn't know I'm not supposed to be here," he said, knowing full well he wasn't supposed to be there. |
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