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Happiedaze
Location: Galveston Area, TX Gender: Female Total Likes: 18 likes
| | | | | Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn < Reply # 190 on 6/18/2008 10:45 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | This is really sad... I just sat here and read through all the pages of this thread, beginning to end.
If anything can come of this, I would hope it would be that we can all respect and appreciate each other as fellow explorers maybe just a LITTLE more than it seems like most of us do already? We all share a common hobby here. This hobby can be awesome, amazing and fulfilling, but as we also know, dangerous. I would love to see everyone just be thankful that we are all still here and show some respect.
As I said in another thread, rest in peace fellow explorer, and of course my deepest condolences to his friends and family.
| 'Our plans are all laid out, take all these unmarked roads, we blaze the trails to places no one goes, yeah!' -Rise Against |
| cyn1c4l
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Gender: Male Total Likes: 0 likes
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| | | Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn < Reply # 195 on 6/18/2008 11:43 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Roadwolf I think that if there is a safety hazard at a site, we should discuss it openly, even if it does give away enterence details, or other sensitive information. Sharing information about safety risks should be our top priority, not 'keeping the site open for us'.
| Absolutely. One thing I have always respected (in regards to the UE D is that for every location, you can outline saftey hazards, such as unsafe flooring, etc.
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| Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1900 likes
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | | Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn < Reply # 197 on 6/18/2008 11:45 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | not to downplay or lessen the seriousness of this thread, there is one theme that keeps coming up in each one of your posts (which, for the most part, have been very well put) and that is the mantle of danger we each undertake when we enter a location. We are, honestly, attracted to this hobby by that danger, however minute it may be. In all fairness, what we do as a hobby cannot compare to others out there... spelunking, rafting, hiking, etc. However, that isn't to say that we don't have our own rules to contend with. I'm not talking about a trite argument over ethics, I'm talking about treating each location as if it were a danger room where you could be killed. For those of us who live in areas with industrial ruins, catwalks and stairways decay, floors can crack from frost spalling the concrete, railings can fail, objects can fall from above... i see many pictures in the galleries where my fellow travelers aren't wearing helmets. I'm not a safety nazi by any stretch of the imagination, but a hardhat has saved my melon on many occasions, and that was in a functioning mill with safety precautions! I think that this guys' death, as tragic as it was, could be used as a learning experience for us all. Kowalski may differ with me on this point and I welcome his argument, but when this comes down to brass tacks, we are historical tourists looking for the aesthetics of a lost age. We're not explorers, we're not historians, we're not archeologists or sociologists. I think we're tourists with a slightly different tour guide. Does this mean we should all wear harnesses and lifelines, or where helmets and big nasty boots? No. Just use your head for something other than ballast. We have a common rule where I work. Trust nothing. We don't trust the chemical alarms, railings catwalks, valves, piping. We treat everything as if it could burst or break at any second. Maybe that's being paranoid, but having it applied towards our hobby might not be a bad idea. I probably lost my point in here somewhere... i just was trying to say something that I felt.
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| G to the Race
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| | | Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn < Reply # 198 on 6/19/2008 12:15 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Samurai not to downplay or lessen the seriousness of this thread, there is one theme that keeps coming up in each one of your posts (which, for the most part, have been very well put) and that is the mantle of danger we each undertake when we enter a location. We are, honestly, attracted to this hobby by that danger, however minute it may be. In all fairness, what we do as a hobby cannot compare to others out there... spelunking, rafting, hiking, etc. However, that isn't to say that we don't have our own rules to contend with. I'm not talking about a trite argument over ethics, I'm talking about treating each location as if it were a danger room where you could be killed. For those of us who live in areas with industrial ruins, catwalks and stairways decay, floors can crack from frost spalling the concrete, railings can fail, objects can fall from above... i see many pictures in the galleries where my fellow travelers aren't wearing helmets. I'm not a safety nazi by any stretch of the imagination, but a hardhat has saved my melon on many occasions, and that was in a functioning mill with safety precautions! I think that this guys' death, as tragic as it was, could be used as a learning experience for us all. Kowalski may differ with me on this point and I welcome his argument, but when this comes down to brass tacks, we are historical tourists looking for the aesthetics of a lost age. We're not explorers, we're not historians, we're not archeologists or sociologists. I think we're tourists with a slightly different tour guide. Does this mean we should all wear harnesses and lifelines, or where helmets and big nasty boots? No. Just use your head for something other than ballast. We have a common rule where I work. Trust nothing. We don't trust the chemical alarms, railings catwalks, valves, piping. We treat everything as if it could burst or break at any second. Maybe that's being paranoid, but having it applied towards our hobby might not be a bad idea. I probably lost my point in here somewhere... i just was trying to say something that I felt.
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The "tourist" thing, while on the surface offensive, is pretty true. I got the same ups from tooling around the streets of a city foreign to me as I do in an abandonment or an off-limits area--the danger part of it does add to the thrill, but only temporarily, once I know I'm safe I'm a tourist. I can't add anything on the safety thing, as an older (shit!) person, I take every precaution not to get in sticky situations. Be safe. If this dude's tragedy proves anything it's that it CAN happen to you.
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