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Jonsered
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong Gender: Male Total Likes: 175 likes
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| | | | | Re: US war with Iran? < Reply # 4 on 7/3/2008 5:10 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Well, I don't like the whole idea, but I suspect this has been planned for some time. In an odd way, it makes perfect sense. Think about it..... China and India are becoming BIG world players. In order to continue their growth, they need oil. If we control Iraq and Iran, plus our own oil reserves, we control a shitload of the worlds oil, and could possible put a chokehold on China and India. Furthermore, after we control Iraq and Iran, do you think Saudi Arabia would defy us if we told them to cut off oil shipments to China? I don't think so, because I don't think they want top be occupied. I can't see the Russians intervening in this, because they HATE China, and have a long history with them. Communist fellow travelers aside, the are not friends. pacifying Iran would be out of the question, but destroying their ability to make war and feed themselves is not a difficult thing. With Israel's assistance, I think it would be a fairly quick and bloodless matter on our side. Damned painful and bloody on Iran's part though. I'm not saying this is a good idea, just that it is a distinct possibility.
| I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread. |
| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: US war with Iran? < Reply # 5 on 7/24/2008 8:14 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Jonsered Well, I don't like the whole idea, but I suspect this has been planned for some time. In an odd way, it makes perfect sense. Think about it..... China and India are becoming BIG world players. In order to continue their growth, they need oil. If we control Iraq and Iran, plus our own oil reserves, we control a shitload of the worlds oil, and could possible put a chokehold on China and India. Furthermore, after we control Iraq and Iran, do you think Saudi Arabia would defy us if we told them to cut off oil shipments to China? I don't think so, because I don't think they want top be occupied. I can't see the Russians intervening in this, because they HATE China, and have a long history with them. Communist fellow travelers aside, the are not friends. pacifying Iran would be out of the question, but destroying their ability to make war and feed themselves is not a difficult thing. With Israel's assistance, I think it would be a fairly quick and bloodless matter on our side. Damned painful and bloody on Iran's part though. I'm not saying this is a good idea, just that it is a distinct possibility.
| Which pretty much provides the outline for my 9/11 theory. China inked the WTO deal about three weeks after the attack. This entire thing was pre-emptive seizing of mid-east oil from day one, and it was a project planned years and years ago back when George Sr. was running the CIA. Laugh if you want. China's ascension to global super power was foreseen decades ago, and lines were drawn, and plans were made, and everything was carried out according to those line and plans.
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| Yehoshua
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| | | Re: US war with Iran? < Reply # 6 on 7/24/2008 8:53 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Not going to happen. Iran is not like Iraq, it is not an isolated country with neighbours who hate it. There is religious animosity between sectarians, yes, but on a political forum Iran is seen in a favourable light - not to mention that it is ten times' more likely to be the "hero" that eventually captures or kills Osama bin Laden, and a hundred times more likely to be the "hero" that brings peace to Iraq. Iran is not Afghanistan, it is not the world's poorest nation crippled by a century of being invaded (and successfully throwing out the invaders) three times by the three world superpowers that eyed it. Iran is a stable, modern country that can afford to fight a real war. The only realistic outcome of a military invasion of Iran would be thousands of American dead, and Iran stretching its borders even wider, gaining territory as it ovreruns American interests in the region. Five years from the outbreak of a US/Iran war, Kuwait would be folded into Iran, the majority of Iraq would similarly become irrevocably tied to Iran, while Saudi Arabia would likely reduce its ties to the United States with an adrenaline-fuelled Iran now sitting on its borders. The only uncertainty of the war would be whether Syria annexes Mosul or seizes the initiative to take back the Golan and declare open war on Israel and leaves Mosul with the Turks. The cowboys and political pundits may not realise this, but luckily military analysts realise it - and after the federal bully got its nose bloodied over ordering its military forward into Iraq, they don't have the same power anymore. War with Iran won't happen, no matter what McCain hopes.
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| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: US war with Iran? < Reply # 12 on 7/26/2008 7:11 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by underdark If we ever start fighting a war then people will finally see what strength of arms can truly do.
| I've been watching for seven years. So...yeah. What I'm seeing is determination on the part of the enemy to continue in the face of overwhelming US firepower. We have the capability to go really, horribly old school warfare if we want to. We haven't yet and I'm kinda happy about that.
| You should consider it, because it's what Iraqi insurgents have been employing for at least six of those seven years. Nobody knows who has the biggest pile of non-nuke WMDs out there, but it is believed to be the US, Russia, or China.
| Hands down. Consider the arsenal of US allies, and then add it to the US stockpile. Call it ' peer pressure.' Or 'you're either with us, or etc. etc.' If any of those three ever really want to, the real no bullshit, curl your hair, horror of the piles of bodies WAR will come out. I'm betting China US will go there first, but if we go to Iran...
| If you go to Iran, you're simply accomplishing something the Chinese would rather not do. Ten years after a war with Iran, and after years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US would be so terribly depleted that for China to take control, it would simply have to show up at the front door of the White House with the U-Haul. There's a reason why China has enjoyed an eight thousand year history. Hide and watch. It will last a month and we will officially be the biggest bastards since Stalin.
| Getting close already.
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| Jonsered
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong Gender: Male Total Likes: 175 likes
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| | | | | Re: US war with Iran? < Reply # 17 on 7/28/2008 5:03 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | My apologies for dragging politics into the military board. Post by KublaKhan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I've been watching for seven years. So...yeah. What I'm seeing is determination on the part of the enemy to continue in the face of overwhelming US firepower." We have not really unleashed the whole thing on Iraq since the ground invasion ended. Not generally acceptable to bring a platoon af M1A1 tanks into a village and just erase it. KK, I work with the military for a living, and the firepower available to the average US unit is mind boggling. Any idea what an Arc Light strike can do? NOBODY lives through one. Perfect for massed infantry assaults like the Iranians would attempt. Post by KublaKhan "You should consider it, because it's what Iraqi insurgents have been employing for at least six of those seven years." See my above reference. Our opponents have not been so concerned about civilian casualties. Post by KublaKhan "If you go to Iran, you're simply accomplishing something the Chinese would rather not do. Ten years after a war with Iran, and after years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US would be so terribly depleted that for China to take control, it would simply have to show up at the front door of the White House with the U-Haul." You are kidding, right? The US has the power and material to project total war anywhere on the planet. The Chinese do not. Don't forget, we dropped more tons of bombs on LAOS during the Vietnam War than on Japan and Germany combined. A couple of hundred cruise missiles, followed by a couple of dozen Arc Lights, followed up by conventional strikes by carriers, and 80% of China lies dead in the rubble of their cities. Not bragging, simple fact. Post by KublaKhan "Getting close already." Please. To Stalin, Pol Pot and their ilk? Come on KK, you ain't seen nothing yet.
| I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread. |
| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: US war with Iran? < Reply # 18 on 7/28/2008 7:59 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Jonsered My apologies for dragging politics into the military board. Post by KublaKhan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I've been watching for seven years. So...yeah. What I'm seeing is determination on the part of the enemy to continue in the face of overwhelming US firepower." We have not really unleashed the whole thing on Iraq since the ground invasion ended. Not generally acceptable to bring a platoon af M1A1 tanks into a village and just erase it. KK, I work with the military for a living, and the firepower available to the average US unit is mind boggling. Any idea what an Arc Light strike can do? NOBODY lives through one. Perfect for massed infantry assaults like the Iranians would attempt. Post by KublaKhan "You should consider it, because it's what Iraqi insurgents have been employing for at least six of those seven years."
See my above reference. Our opponents have not been so concerned about civilian casualties. Post by KublaKhan "If you go to Iran, you're simply accomplishing something the Chinese would rather not do. Ten years after a war with Iran, and after years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US would be so terribly depleted that for China to take control, it would simply have to show up at the front door of the White House with the U-Haul." You are kidding, right? The US has the power and material to project total war anywhere on the planet. The Chinese do not. Don't forget, we dropped more tons of bombs on LAOS during the Vietnam War than on Japan and Germany combined. A couple of hundred cruise missiles, followed by a couple of dozen Arc Lights, followed up by conventional strikes by carriers, and 80% of China lies dead in the rubble of their cities. Not bragging, simple fact. Post by KublaKhan "Getting close already." Please. To Stalin, Pol Pot and their ilk? Come on KK, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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