Posted by MutantMandias http://i137.photob.../AtheistBarbie.jpg

I wish that barbie was a real person. She is hot!

I'm still waiting for Frederick's of Hollywood Barbie.

But seriously, neither Hitler nor Stalin were atheists.

Posted by splumer I'm still waiting for Frederick's of Hollywood Barbie. But seriously, neither Hitler nor Stalin were atheists.

But you had better not challenge what their pastor said, since these kinds of people have been conditioned to believe that he has some kind of magic juice on him that makes everything he says true.

Posted by MutantMandias But you had better not challenge what their pastor said, since these kinds of people have been conditioned to believe that he has some kind of magic juice on him that makes everything he says true.

Because a bronze age story book is a far better source of ideas to base your life on than things like asking for evidence, skepticism, and having enough imagination to accept that there are possibilities beyond a sky god that cares about your wiener.

And also, where do you get off questioning a persons explicitly stated ridiculous beliefs?

Actually (as you of course know) I wasn't even saying that a person's beliefs should be challenged, but just commenting that it is yet another amazing weapon of organized religion that virtually everything is set up to artificially bestow a facade of credibility on religious figures speaking in their church. Millenia of effort has been put into artistically setting the stage to appear authoritative, mostly due to colored glass, uncomfortable seats, a platform, and the dead guy hanging in the background.

I have known quite a few priests, ministers, etc, and none of them actually have any such voice of authority that is alleged via the theater of religion.


After all, if they didn't have all of that stuff surrounding them, their flock might realize that the messages don't always make sense.

Posted by MutantMandias Actually (as you of course know) I wasn't even saying that a person's beliefs should be challenged, but just commenting that it is yet another amazing weapon of organized religion that virtually everything is set up to artificially bestow a facade of credibility on religious figures speaking in their church.

I agree, however, I think that is exactly why people's explicitly stated beliefs should be challenged.

Someone should have challenged hitler's publicly stated beliefs for evidence, just like someone needs to challenge anyone who says things like their imaginary friend says homosexuality is forbidden or that their imaginary friend will reward them for flying airplanes into buildings.

Posted by tekriter I agree, however, I think that is exactly why people's explicitly stated beliefs should be challenged. Someone should have challenged hitler's publicly stated beliefs for evidence, just like someone needs to challenge anyone who says things like their imaginary friend says homosexuality is forbidden or that their imaginary friend will reward them for flying airplanes into buildings.

Yes, yes, yes, and, if you go back and look, I was certainly NOT saying that a person's beliefs should NOT be challenged. Obviously I think that beliefs should be challenged and should be discarded when appropriate, because I am not an idiot.

Maybe my sarcasm confused you when I said;

But you had better not challenge what their pastor said

This was sarcasm. I believed that you would understand that. Consider that belief CHALLENGED.

Would you bang Barbie?

Barbie is like god in this aspect.

Neither are real, but my first thought does include fucking.

The atheist/theist fight just demonstrates that we have too much time on our hands.

Posted by G to the Race The atheist/theist fight just demonstrates that we have too much time on our hands.

Yeah. Totally not important.

On one side, you have only your soul and eternity at stake,

while on the other side of the debate there are stickers for biology text books, holy wars, laws about sex and marriage based on religion that oppress everyone, entire nations that go to war because god said to, planes crashing into buildings, and other such trivial pursuits.

We should talk about something important.

Who would win a fight: Gay Jesus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Posted by tekriter Yeah. Totally not important. On one side, you have only your soul and eternity at stake, while on the other side of the debate there are stickers for biology text books, holy wars, laws about sex and marriage based on religion that oppress everyone, entire nations that go to war because god said to, planes crashing into buildings, and other such trivial pursuits. We should talk about something important. Who would win a fight: Gay Jesus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Wait, aren't those both the same side?

Hitler and Stalin were not athiests.

Hitler was a believer but thought the party and his own personal authority should come before some priest interpreting scripture.

Stalin "went to war" because the USSR was invaded by Germany.

Don't argue with the "atheists", they're smarter than you. Need proof? Just ask them.

Historical figures either were, or weren't atheists - depending on what they are arguing about at any given moment.

Posted by tekriter while on the other side of the debate there are stickers for biology text books, holy wars, laws about sex and marriage based on religion that oppress everyone, entire nations that go to war because god said to, planes crashing into buildings, and other such trivial pursuits.

Don't forget Sunday liquor laws! (My personal favorite)

Don't argue with the "atheists", they're smarter than you. Need proof? Just ask them. Historical figures either were, or are weren't atheists - depending on what they are arguing about at any given moment.

If that was the implication you got, it wasn't intentional. Plenty of smart people are believers. They're just good at coming up with ideas for justifying their irrational beliefs.

Here's proof Hitler was a believer:


This is a belt buckle worn by Nazi soldiers. It translates as "God With Us."

God doesn't want you drinking on Sunday, at least not until noon if you're here in Massachusetts. It's in the bible somewhere, I'm sure of it.

Everyone knows Hitler was into voodoo.

Posted by MrGreenJeans God doesn't want you drinking on Sunday, at least not until noon if you're here in Massachusetts. It's in the bible somewhere, I'm sure of it. Everyone knows Hitler was into voodoo.

In Ohio, you have to have a special extra license to sell beer and wine on Sunday, and even then it can only be sold after 1 p.m. No liquor at all. I'm seeing two concerts in June on Sundays.

And yes, Hitler was into a lot of weird occult crap, along with his buddies. They even made a role-playing game out of it. Weird War, I think it's called.

If you need alcohol before 1pm on any day, you have a problem.