Sigh. Well, I may have phrased it somewhat differently than Sam, but I do agree that religion was a socio-evolutionary development. It worked to keep groups together and working for a common cause. Groups that worked together better multiplied, spread and intermixed their religious ideas. As in all evolution, more success resulted in greater spread.

The socio-evolutionary nature of religion is even implied by what the original words for abomination meant, which some people have now come to interpret as EVIL. It just meant "customs from a different people." Cutting hair was an abomination, for example.

Some things were useful (don't eat raw pork), but lots of cruft got mixed in, either randomly (don't cut your hair), or as the result of people trying to assert their power (knowledge is evil).

I don't think Christians want to save souls out of hate....

Posted by Esoterik I don't think Christians want to save souls out of hate....

this kind of beggars the question of (warning! Philosophy ahead!) whether or not there is such a thing AS a soul? I mean, what's a person really? Electrochemical energy resonating at a certain frequency to create a certain flavor being that differentiates itself from another flavor of being? Is that a soul or is just being more or less a big ball of static.

Posted by Mr_Fiend And that is determined by your beliefs. Someone who believes in a created universe, views reality much different than one who thinks life just happened and will just end with no purpose. "reality-based" curriculum can vary greatly based on its core origins and purpose. This is why I'm adamant to teach creation, it is the sole reason behind so many mysteries that science will never grasp, such as how and why we are here. There are no ulterior motives, there is no desire for control, only to teach the truth as it has been taught since the beginning of the world.

Science is subject to disproof and is ever-changing as new facts and theories reshape our views. Creationism prefers faith in the authority of the Bible no matter what contradictory empirical evidence might exist. Here's an analogy: professors at CalTech declare Origin of Species dogmas, the authority of this book and its author absolute, and any further empirical evidence for or against evolution irrelevant.

Why should we teach the Christian creation myth? Why not some other? How is one more valid than another? Should it be up to the individual teacher? Of course, there's the whole constitutional thing.

Also, it is wrong to think that science will "never grasp... how and why we are here." Science has already fairly well explained the origin of life. Google the Miller-Urey experiment. And even if science hadn't explained life's origins, resorting to creationism would be the either-or fallacy, where if one premise isn't fully proven, then the opposite, unproven premise must be the truth.

And the "big bang theory" is a pretty piss-poor source as well. The truth is we dont know the truth, that's essentially what is taught in schools now. "We think matter compressed from nothing, exploded and made everything, in theory". You all can talk all day long about how creation is crazy, but something from nothing is just plain insane, it has no ultimate truth, no definite answer, no solution to the problem.

And yet, that is the scientific consensus, and evidence is building daily that that is the case. The Higgs boson is the best evidence of the Big Bang. The latest books by Stephen Hawking and Lawrence Krauss also explain how something came from nothing. I heartily recommend them both.

I think I need to remind you that theories aren't pulled from one's ass, they are based on verification by peer review. A theory is a well-supported and well-tested hypothesis or set of hypotheses. Creation doesn't even qualify as a hypothesis, since it is not testable.

Posted by KublaKhan http://video.googl...404729062613200911

if only god would fucking die, imagine how wonderful our world would be.

Posted by Samurai if only god would fucking die, imagine how wonderful our world would be.

I'm okay with God. It's the people who work for Him that worry me.

Sam, the world has brainwashed you. This explains why you get so defensive when the truth is presented to you. You need Jesus, and you need to repent. You'll feel better, and you wont hate everything so much anymore.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Sam, the world has brainwashed you. This explains why you get so defensive when the truth is presented to you. You need Jesus, and you need to repent. You'll feel better, and you wont hate everything so much anymore.

Oh boy...

Posted by Mr_Fiend Sam, the world has brainwashed you. This explains why you get so defensive when the truth is presented to you. You need Jesus, and you need to repent. You'll feel better, and you wont hate everything so much anymore.

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Posted by Mr_Fiend Sam, the world has brainwashed you. This explains why you get so defensive when the truth is presented to you. You need Jesus, and you need to repent. You'll feel better, and you wont hate everything so much anymore.

let me give you a big fat clue... THERE IS NO GOD. THERE IS NO JESUS. THERE IS NO VIRGIN FUCKIN MARY, SIZZLECHEST. IT'S A FUCKING FAIRY TALE. A LIE. A STORY TO CONTROL PEOPLE INTO DOING OTHER MEN'S BIDDING!

i'll tell you this, religion was the first lesson in marketing on this planet. Why? It's proof fucking positive that some people will buy anything.

Posted by Samurai THERE IS NO GOD.

Then why are you here? Why are you wasting time in the only life you have arguing about trivial matters such as a spiritual world that you know does not exist?

Unless of course your prue intentions are to mock, tease, ridicule, and cut down me and anyone else who dare voice their beliefs. If that is so, then you and everyone else who does such things are closed minded bullies.

I dont mock you, I dont tell you to fuck off. This misconception you have of christians is all in your head, tainted by other people who hate the things of God.

Posted by Mr_Fiend This misconception you have of christians is all in your head, tainted by other people who hate the things of God.

Yeah, Sam will no doubt be glad to tell you about how he has been tainted by the people who claim to love the things of God.

Posted by Mr_Fiend you and everyone else who does such things are closed minded bullies.

Your opinion, of course, while most of us are of the opinion that you are a closed minded dunderhead. Opinions are fun.

I recommend either of these videos on the topic about how god is an absurd concept that is more than probably false, given the fact that all evidence has ever and continues to point to the contrary.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Then why are you here? Why are you wasting time in the only life you have arguing about trivial matters such as a spiritual world that you know does not exist?

i am here because people like you annoy me.

Unless of course your prue intentions are to mock, tease, ridicule, and cut down me and anyone else who dare voice their beliefs. If that is so, then you and everyone else who does such things are closed minded bullies.

can you be any more hypocritical?

I dont mock you, I dont tell you to fuck off. This misconception you have of christians is all in your head, tainted by other people who hate the things of God.

every christian that says they're a true believer is a dumb fuck on a certain level. your comment just reinforces that. you all think it's your job to 'save' people or spread the word of some stupid book that has more holes than a screen door.
it would be fine if the god weirdos kept their cult to themselves, but no... you're always trying to tell people how to live, what to think, who to love, who to fuck... pardon me if I choose not to belong to a cult.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Then why are you here?

Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean you can't argue about it. Quite the contrary, in fact.

Posted by Samurai i am here because people like you annoy me.

Really, that's your reason...

Posted by Mr_Fiend Really, that's your reason...

oh there's more... believe me, much much more, but that will do for starters.

Posted by MutantMandias Yeah, Sam will no doubt be glad to tell you about how he has been tainted by the people who claim to love the things of God. Your opinion, of course, while most of us are of the opinion that you are a closed minded dunderhead. Opinions are fun.

My next punk band: GOD's TAINT.

I consider myself a Christian.

Creationism has no place in schools.

End of Story.